Please help me understand why/how Chaotic one last time? (because I'm done)

[Havenchild]

Not if they sold the game to a lot of people on the premise that it would contain other things too. At that point, it becomes deceptive advertising, a bait and switch con, and depending on which jurisdiction you're in, fraud.

They don't specifically market the game to casual or hardcore players. If anything, XIV is known more for it's MSQ story, not hardcore raids. They do however release a lot of battle content overall which is what literally carries activity in the game long term. That falls anywhere between a Normal dungeon to an Ultimate raid.

[Eyrilona]

They don't specifically market the game to casual or hardcore players. If anything, XIV is known more for it's MSQ story, not hardcore raids. They do however release a lot of battle content overall which is what literally carries activity in the game long term. That falls anywhere between a Normal dungeon to an Ultimate raid.

But that makes the behaviour you are excusing problematic, doesn't it? If they are only releasing content for the higher end of the raid scene, patch after patch, keeping mum about the finer details of the release schedule, pretty much starving everyone who plays this game for other things, but they are still marketing to a broad audience.. see the problem there?

[Havenchild]

But that makes the behaviour you are excusing problematic, doesn't it? If they are only releasing content for the higher end of the raid scene, patch after patch, keeping mum about the finer details of the release schedule, pretty much starving everyone who plays this game for other things, but they are still marketing to a broad audience.. see the problem there?

But they haven't really kept mum, they told you exploratory content is coming in 7.2, earlier than before. So you already know that past 7.1 alliance raid and treasure maps, you have 7.2 content ready and waiting for you, alongside...more MSQ and likely a new dungeon. You can of course go into older content you haven't touched or challenge yourself with newer content being released, but we both know how that conversation goes so, yeah you can wait your turn or unsub till then.

[Lilapop]

But they haven't really kept mum, they told you exploratory content is coming in 7.2, earlier than before. So you already know that past 7.1 alliance raid and treasure maps, you have 7.2 content ready and waiting for you, alongside...more MSQ and likely a new dungeon. You can of course go into older content you haven't touched or challenge yourself with newer content being released, but we both know how that conversation goes so, yeah you can wait your turn or unsub till then.

"Your turn"... like exploration zones in the past haven't come with some manner of Extreme/Savage tier raid? BA? DRS? Either of these ring a bell?

[Havenchild]

"Your turn"... like exploration zones in the past haven't come with some manner of Extreme/Savage tier raid? BA? DRS? Either of these ring a bell?

Sure but that's not really an issue specifically being talked about here. The point is certain people want to receive specific content they WANT to do and that's purely their choice. They COULD explore new forms of content or challenge themselves but they refuse to, again THEIR choice. Those same people have to accept that if they want to cross their arms and pout their chest while not engaging in any higher content, then yes they are creating the reality of "what content is for me" and will have to wait till the devs release something they want to do.

Also just to clarify, BA was required for the SB relic but DRS was not required for the SHB relic, it was entirely optional content iirc.

[Jaltaer]

I don't know why I'm responding to this guy's bait thread, but...

I haven't stepped into the raid myself yet - so I'm not going to make any comments on its actual mechanics or their difficulty. In terms of design/presentation, though - it's a 24-man trial, just call it that... Alliance Raid implies things like adds (which can be done in an interesting way, look at Criterion, or even BA) and actual physical progression through zones, not "you zone in already on the platform in front of the only boss". OFC, the actual 8-man raids in the game used to be designed like ARs, too, but that's a whole different topic of discussion...

The only thing I really want to comment on, is people saying "I hoped this would be like/we'd get stuff around BA/DRS difficulty level" (which I agree with!), and getting replies like "well just wait until the new foray in 7.2".
Why does that particular level of content difficulty have to be restricted to forays?
It's totally fair for people to say "hey, this kind of content (BA/DRN/DRS) is fun - can we get more stuff like this without it being tied to a foray zone/progression?". Yes, we all know the foray is coming - but people want stuff to do without waiting over half a year out from the expansion release. Chaotic was a great opportunity to give something like that, but instead it ended being another Criterion. I'm not going to pout about it after the fact because they did warn us several times in advance "teehee we overtuned it", and it is what it is, but it definitely feels like another missed opportunity.

[Mawlzy]

Well firstly, this question doesn't specifically matter. They are allowed to make content for whoever they want to.

Now if what you are meaning to say is "Why are they only making content for this demographic that I don't believe deserves it?" Well then, that really is a personal question to ask yourself vs a rhetorical one. People were asking for harder 24 man content over the years and new content exclusive to DT, and they released a 24man EX/ Savage tier fight. Best timing? Dunno
New type of content? Yes

Yes. I understand that a gaming company makes the content they want to make. Similarly, they created these forums so we could provide feedback on that content.

Currently, that feedback basically fits in three buckets:

A. Frustration at the massive disparity between the amount of content created for high-end raiders and content for everyone else.
B. Raiders who are happy they are getting lots of content, but who feel CAR was implemented poorly.
C. Raiders who like CAR and want more.

Numerically, A+B>>C.

Now one can argue that developing game content based purely on what the majority wants can lead to insipid games, and I might even agree with that general principle. But when the bulk of your subscribers vigorously dislike content, a company that listens would conclude correctly that they massively screwed up.

[Daralii]

To me this is a side issue. The problem is why are they only making content for this demographic?

Because a subset of them pay Square to advertise for them. Designing live service games for them is in vogue.

[Voidmage]

But they haven't really kept mum, they told you exploratory content is coming in 7.2, earlier than before. So you already know that past 7.1 alliance raid and treasure maps, you have 7.2 content ready and waiting for you, alongside...more MSQ and likely a new dungeon. You can of course go into older content you haven't touched or challenge yourself with newer content being released, but we both know how that conversation goes so, yeah you can wait your turn or unsub till then.

Slight correction or "question?".
Bozja didn't came out in 5.2 or 5.25 only Gangos and the first relic step did.
The fieldzone came out in 5.35.

So if they follow the same release shedule (and I would be surprised if not) then we won't see it in 7.2 or 7.25.
Did they actually officially say that it would be in 7.2x?

[Kaurhz]

How are people defending this miserable content pipeline with the "It's OK, Just wait your turn" response. Especially when the game has been going for well over a decade.

Slight correction or "question?".
Bozja didn't came out in 5.2 or 5.25 only Gangos and the first relic step did.
The fieldzone came out in 5.35.

So if they follow the same release shedule (and I would be surprised if not) then we won't see it in 7.2 or 7.25.
Did they actually officially say that it would be in 7.2x?

First step of the relic was released in addition to Varis Ex for the augmented gear, and then Southern Front was was 5.35.

Who actually knows what release schedule they are going to follow. Cosmic should be 7.21 I imagine, then the first part of Shade's Triangle in 7.25 would be my estimate. Now whether this actually includes the zone or not is different matter.