Please help me understand why/how Chaotic one last time? (because I'm done)

[Eyrilona]

Well firstly, this question doesn't specifically matter. They are allowed to make content for whoever they want to.

Not if they sold the game to a lot of people on the premise that it would contain other things too. At that point, it becomes deceptive advertising, a bait and switch con, and depending on which jurisdiction you're in, fraud.

[Havenchild]

Not if they sold the game to a lot of people on the premise that it would contain other things too. At that point, it becomes deceptive advertising, a bait and switch con, and depending on which jurisdiction you're in, fraud.

They don't specifically market the game to casual or hardcore players. If anything, XIV is known more for it's MSQ story, not hardcore raids. They do however release a lot of battle content overall which is what literally carries activity in the game long term. That falls anywhere between a Normal dungeon to an Ultimate raid.

[Eyrilona]

They don't specifically market the game to casual or hardcore players. If anything, XIV is known more for it's MSQ story, not hardcore raids. They do however release a lot of battle content overall which is what literally carries activity in the game long term. That falls anywhere between a Normal dungeon to an Ultimate raid.

But that makes the behaviour you are excusing problematic, doesn't it? If they are only releasing content for the higher end of the raid scene, patch after patch, keeping mum about the finer details of the release schedule, pretty much starving everyone who plays this game for other things, but they are still marketing to a broad audience.. see the problem there?

[Havenchild]

But that makes the behaviour you are excusing problematic, doesn't it? If they are only releasing content for the higher end of the raid scene, patch after patch, keeping mum about the finer details of the release schedule, pretty much starving everyone who plays this game for other things, but they are still marketing to a broad audience.. see the problem there?

But they haven't really kept mum, they told you exploratory content is coming in 7.2, earlier than before. So you already know that past 7.1 alliance raid and treasure maps, you have 7.2 content ready and waiting for you, alongside...more MSQ and likely a new dungeon. You can of course go into older content you haven't touched or challenge yourself with newer content being released, but we both know how that conversation goes so, yeah you can wait your turn or unsub till then.

[Lilapop]

But they haven't really kept mum, they told you exploratory content is coming in 7.2, earlier than before. So you already know that past 7.1 alliance raid and treasure maps, you have 7.2 content ready and waiting for you, alongside...more MSQ and likely a new dungeon. You can of course go into older content you haven't touched or challenge yourself with newer content being released, but we both know how that conversation goes so, yeah you can wait your turn or unsub till then.

"Your turn"... like exploration zones in the past haven't come with some manner of Extreme/Savage tier raid? BA? DRS? Either of these ring a bell?

[Havenchild]

"Your turn"... like exploration zones in the past haven't come with some manner of Extreme/Savage tier raid? BA? DRS? Either of these ring a bell?

Sure but that's not really an issue specifically being talked about here. The point is certain people want to receive specific content they WANT to do and that's purely their choice. They COULD explore new forms of content or challenge themselves but they refuse to, again THEIR choice. Those same people have to accept that if they want to cross their arms and pout their chest while not engaging in any higher content, then yes they are creating the reality of "what content is for me" and will have to wait till the devs release something they want to do.

Also just to clarify, BA was required for the SB relic but DRS was not required for the SHB relic, it was entirely optional content iirc.

[Lilapop]

Sure but that's not really an issue specifically being talked about here. The point is certain people want to receive specific content they WANT to do and that's purely their choice. They COULD explore new forms of content or challenge themselves but they refuse to, again THEIR choice. Those same people have to accept that if they want to cross their arms and pout their chest while not engaging in any higher content, then yes they are creating the reality of "what content is for me" and will have to wait till the devs release something they want to do.

Also just to clarify, BA was required for the SB relic but DRS was not required for the SHB relic, it was entirely optional content iirc.

First off, any content that isn't the main story is "optional" (including the Crystal Tower raids in ARR as mandatory). You're basically going "well u can either do harder content which u dont enjoy or cry about it, this is a u problem." That... isn't how that works? But sure, I'll play devil's advocate for your strange take. Lets say most people who find nothing "casual" in the game to do right now decided to hop into the new Chaotic, the Savages, and Extremes. What would happen? It wouldn't be harmony and everyone getting along enjoying the raiding, I know that much. As a raider (I infer this based on every other post you've mad recently, correct me if I'm wrong) I feel like you encouraging people to do content they don't want will just open up an avenue for you to then complain about something or another, which would, ironically make them enjoy raiding even less than they did initially. Choice implies there is an accept alternative to something being presented. Raiders are eating good currently, what is the alternate choice here? Is there casual content being added to the game that only Havenchild can see?

[Voidmage]

But they haven't really kept mum, they told you exploratory content is coming in 7.2, earlier than before. So you already know that past 7.1 alliance raid and treasure maps, you have 7.2 content ready and waiting for you, alongside...more MSQ and likely a new dungeon. You can of course go into older content you haven't touched or challenge yourself with newer content being released, but we both know how that conversation goes so, yeah you can wait your turn or unsub till then.

Slight correction or "question?".
Bozja didn't came out in 5.2 or 5.25 only Gangos and the first relic step did.
The fieldzone came out in 5.35.

So if they follow the same release shedule (and I would be surprised if not) then we won't see it in 7.2 or 7.25.
Did they actually officially say that it would be in 7.2x?

[Kaurhz]

How are people defending this miserable content pipeline with the "It's OK, Just wait your turn" response. Especially when the game has been going for well over a decade.

Slight correction or "question?".
Bozja didn't came out in 5.2 or 5.25 only Gangos and the first relic step did.
The fieldzone came out in 5.35.

So if they follow the same release shedule (and I would be surprised if not) then we won't see it in 7.2 or 7.25.
Did they actually officially say that it would be in 7.2x?

First step of the relic was released in addition to Varis Ex for the augmented gear, and then Southern Front was was 5.35.

Who actually knows what release schedule they are going to follow. Cosmic should be 7.21 I imagine, then the first part of Shade's Triangle in 7.25 would be my estimate. Now whether this actually includes the zone or not is different matter.

[Daralii]

How are people defending this miserable content pipeline with the "It's OK, Just wait your turn" response. Especially when the game has been going for well over a decade.

It's actually genius on CS3's part. If everyone's constantly fighting each other over whose turn it should be, they can't complain about the game as a whole to try and get the miserable state of things fixed.