Quote Originally Posted by Lauwen View Post
Prog liars really stand out in this content - it's always been a thing over the years, like someone joining a Titan EX kill back in ARR, but they've never seen the adds for example, with 8 people you can more easily tell if someone is telling a lie, or they just get lucky and weasel their way through. In this content, given the bonus structure, we're seeing a lot of parties who have cleared accepting P3/enrage players - I don't believe most of the people who join are at enrage prog point, they are hoping for a carry, maybe through either thinking "it's a 24 man, I can just coast through" or just pure ignorance on what the fight actually is.
I agree that prog liars are a big problem here and I think many just do it because they are getting tired of this content and wiping again and again.

BUT

Them being such a huge problem just tells that the difficulty is way overtuned no matter what some may think. For originally being targeted at Ex difficulty SOME prog liars shouldn't be such a huge problem or at worst result in a hard dps check.
Even in some savage fights you can not know what to do after a specific point and yet clear easily.
The other thing is that not everyone is a prog liar just because they mess up sometimes. The mechanics are easy in a vacuum but there so damn many back to back with little room for failure that it is natural that people screw up even those who cleared.

The worst of all is that I start to see toxity forming in PF like... really bad ones to a point where I am short of not joining clear groups anymore because prog parties are just way more chill.