Don't do chaotic raid again

[Aco505]

Some people really think it is wise to release 24-man high-end content with Ultimate BiS, pieces better than Savage tier(not equal), when FFXIV has been keeping the same 8-man formula for a decade. We'll see how alive this content will be in the near future.

The difference for DPS jobs is so minuscule that it doesn't matter. It only really makes it better for tanks and healers and not by that big of an amount. The pieces are the same ilvl as Savage, they simply have better stat distribution for T/H due to some of them not having piety or tenacity.

[Lilapop]

If you want the actual BiS, yes, you are forced to do it on most jobs, if not all. High-end raiding in this game was always about 8 players. Why change the formula when you built a raiding community around 8-man content for 10 years?

Also what you've said in the beggining is completely wrong. There's a chance some pieces from Chaotic will be Ultimate BiS(they are now), so stating that they'll become outdated is completely wrong.

Why change it? Because its 10 years later and the same formula is clearly showing its issues throughout this entire expansion. Or would you like another reason?

[brinn12]

Why change it? Because its 10 years later and the same formula is clearly showing its issues throughout this entire expansion. Or would you like another reason?

There are many things this expansion is doing wrong, but I don't recall the fact that we have 8-man raids being an issue at any time. The FFXIV raid community was built around 8 people raiding. If you change what isn't broken in the formula, you'll lose even more players. Especially considering the bad things are getting worse already, like job homogenization, game balance and linear/predictable MSQ quests.

[Absurdity]

If you want the actual BiS, yes, you are forced to do it on most jobs, if not all. High-end raiding in this game was always about 8 players. Why change the formula when you built a raiding community around 8-man content for 10 years?

Also what you've said in the beggining is completely wrong. There's a chance some pieces from Chaotic will be Ultimate BiS(they are now), so stating that they'll become outdated is completely wrong.

Except it hasn't been. You know what had a vast majority of BiS pieces at the end of Stormblood? Eureka.
Sure it was technically 10 item level lower but the Elemental+1 gear often had not only the best substats but also 5 guaranteed materia slots. It was in fact so good that it enabled playstyles we haven't seen since, like maximum speed BLM, SAM and MNK, add to that a relic weapon with up to a 1000 substat total which completely invalidated the savage weapons if you were prepared to put in the time.

The world didn't end back then and it isn't gonna end now with gear that is a miniscule percentage upgrade in comparison.

As for the current ultimate, it is entirely possible that the chaotic gear becomes obsolete as soon as the next dungeon with 635 ilvl gear releases.


But the general idea is something I can get behind, we need more sources to get BiS gear so we're not entirely shackled to the terrible 450 tomestone cap, weekly savage lockout and the atrocious loot system for anyone not playing in a static.
Put the crit/det gear (because let's be honest, nobody wants piety or tenacity on their items anyway) in savage, put it in chaotic, put it in criterion... hell put it in alliance raids, they're supposed to be for catch up after the raid tier is basically over anyway.

[FlorineC]

If you want the actual BiS, yes, you are forced to do it on most jobs, if not all. High-end raiding in this game was always about 8 players. Why change the formula when you built a raiding community around 8-man content for 10 years?

I mean yes, if you want the reward from the content you have to do the content, that is true. But nobody's making you get that reward. All the content in the game is designed around the pre-Chaotic gear. You don't need any of it for anything except making your number a tiny, tiny bit bigger. It's like complaining about Ultimate weapons being better than Savage. "Why change the formula from the best weapon being from the final raid boss, why should I have to do this other thing to get a better weapon? I don't wanna do the Ultimate so it shouldn't give anything that I want so that other people can't have anything from it!" I can't think of a single compelling reason why there should be some rule that non-savage/tome gear shouldn't have different/better substats on some pieces. I think the variety is good, and my only complaint is that the Chaotic didn't come out sooner so that the new, marginal BiS pieces could've been used longer or we could've gotten some more timely alternate avenues of gear progression.

[FudoMyoo]

I disagree.

Variety is always good. Even though I dont do raids.

[Menriq]

100% agree, I am noticing the content isnt that popular anyways on the NA servers. only like 3 PFs at time max im seeing for it compared to the ultimate raid. When will FFxiv just go back to giving us proper grinds for relics instead of all this content no one plays.

I think it's because I've seen a lot of organizing move to Discord and away from PF after the first couple of days.

[Tsumdere]

You most definitely did not understand my comment, lol. I am not saying it's a bad thing having multiple content to get BiS. Why is it so hard to understand? If you put the same substats they are still BiS. People who want to do 8-man only will still get BiS through it. People doing 24-man will get the benefit of gearing altjobs. The issue is putting better gear in 24-man, when, for a decade, this type of content wasn't in the game.

Girly. Please stop. It's embarrassing.

It is fine if they keep releasing this content. The big mistake here is Chaotic dropping pieces better than 8-man Savage. The substats should be the same as the Savage tier, just like Criterion Savage weapons.

Perhaps you should read what I said again, because I'm afraid I read you just fine; you want all sources of BiS to be the same substats. Boring. BiS could (and should) be made of pieces from more than just savage and tomes. You should be required to do all high end content to get true BiS.

I'll reword what I was saying for you: Chaotic different substats good because doing only savage boring.

[MisterNublet]

I think it's because I've seen a lot of organizing move to Discord and away from PF after the first couple of days.

It is solely because with Discord, you can remove the prog-liars and inconsistent players from the server so they're no longer able to drag 23 other players down.

I've been trying to help other players get their clears over the last three days in PF and every "clear" party, the only thing they've been consistent in is dying to the first round of pairs/spreads every pull, missing 1 to 2 tower-1s, and ganking each other on tiles.

Every time I've called them out for repeatedly failing mechanics, half the alliance white knights, only for them to mess up again the next pull and the other half abandons the raid.

[brinn12]

Except it hasn't been. You know what had a vast majority of BiS pieces at the end of Stormblood? Eureka.
Sure it was technically 10 item level lower but the Elemental+1 gear often had not only the best substats but also 5 guaranteed materia slots. It was in fact so good that it enabled playstyles we haven't seen since, like maximum speed BLM, SAM and MNK, add to that a relic weapon with up to a 1000 substat total which completely invalidated the savage weapons if you were prepared to put in the time.

The world didn't end back then and it isn't gonna end now with gear that is a miniscule percentage upgrade in comparison.

As for the current ultimate, it is entirely possible that the chaotic gear becomes obsolete as soon as the next dungeon with 635 ilvl gear releases.


But the general idea is something I can get behind, we need more sources to get BiS gear so we're not entirely shackled to the terrible 450 tomestone cap, weekly savage lockout and the atrocious loot system for anyone not playing in a static.
Put the crit/det gear (because let's be honest, nobody wants piety or tenacity on their items anyway) in savage, put it in chaotic, put it in criterion... hell put it in alliance raids, they're supposed to be for catch up after the raid tier is basically over anyway.

Eureka wasn't get in arena and kill boss, high-end content. You can't really compare gearing up in Eureka to progging 24-man high-end content in PF.

And even if you could, why would you argue that the raid community wasn't built around 8 players? What about every Savage tier and Ultimate released?