Don't do chaotic raid again

[Ravennes]

I have run it now a couple of times. And my thoughts are: there should be a way to get to and from the inner circle. Sure, you can get IN again but you cant really get out without dying and being raised.
The fight isnt really hard, it is just very punishing if one person dies at the wrong spot.
What irks me the most is the reward system. If you find a team that can actually clear it, people arent really incentivised to go and clear it again and again. We got lucky this morning and had 5 clears in a row bc people decided it was worth their time during a bonus window. But still. Considering the amount of time you put into this fight, it is pretty ridic that you only get so few rewards. You literally arent rewarded for playing well and clearing often. You are only rewarded if you drag someone new through it and even so it matters how many new people there are. And then on top of that the mount costs 99 demimateria.....99!!!! Ive spent hours on this fight and Im only at 28!! If they change the reward system I will be happy. But as of right now it is just not something I will want to spend my time doing after I get home from work. IT is simply too timeconsuming for the tiny amount of rewards you get. :/

be happy, i spend over 10+ hrs, and only seen up to looming lmao
not a single PF can do it reliably, even if i do everything perfect.
i fear i might have to become... a prog liar... (jk jk) but for real, this is what a lot of people do now.

[FlorineC]

From one of the founders and creators....

"If you ever wondered where Discord came from, you have an answer now, and FFXI, Square Enix’s first MMO, is at the center of it. Discord co-founder Stanislav Vishnevskiy made the comments in a recent interview with Famitsu, where he said he was already working on an early version of Discord while in school, inspired by how much fun he was having in Vana’diel (thanks, Siliconera).

Vishnevskiy said he wanted to create an app that let him talk to friends and other people playing FFXI who enjoyed it as much as he did. Work on the app apparently didn’t progress far beyond that simple concept, but Vishnevskiy was still keen on it when he met Jason Citron, Discord’s other co-founder."

I have seen articles addressing what you listed, but from the founder, this is what he said..

Interesting, I hadn't heard that before. Today I learned!

[FlorineC]

Forcing people to do 24-man high-end duties when, for a decade, all we needed was 8-man to reach BiS, makes no sense. Content isn't for everyone and PF will not be popular long term. So keep the same substats as 8-man Savage.

Nobody's forced to do anything. You can do all content in the game just fine with pre-Chaotic bis and it'll be outdated next content drop, but I think having more gearing options for the now is good actually. If you don't wanna do Chaotic to get slightly better, don't do it, but there's no reason to deprive other players of options just because you don't wanna run the content.

[Tsumdere]

I never said Chaotic shouldn't reward BiS. I never said Chaotic can't be an alternative to other BiS content. Pray read again.

Perhaps you should read what I said again, because I'm afraid I read you just fine; you want all sources of BiS to be the same substats. Boring. BiS could (and should) be made of pieces from more than just savage and tomes. You should be required to do all high end content to get true BiS.

Getting it from two sources is boring. Some pieces should come savage. Some from chaotic. Some from tome. Some from Criterion. Mix and match. Not only would you gear faster, which this game desperately needs, but variation in substats would be highly beneficial to jobs within the same role whose gear sets/melds aren't entirely compatible sometimes (i.e. VPR vs NIN). Current BiS being made of pieces from four pieces of content (savage, tome, FRU, chaotic) is the most interesting gear has been in years.

[Aco505]

Strats currently are impossible to recover, as you'll just get revived somewhere els
if anyone important dies before tower > Wipe
anyone dies after > recoverable
if anyone dies during looming > immediately Lb3 and pray atleast a few towers get soaked to not wipe

... not really a fan of this xD

Towers are the biggest wall. Having only one healer outside makes recovering difficult unless you have RDM/SMNs because those inside cannot go out but those out can go in, which is why the 3H on the outside platforms strat is probably the overall best, even though no strat is perfect right now.

[mangelinabrolee]

100% agree, I am noticing the content isnt that popular anyways on the NA servers. only like 3 PFs at time max im seeing for it compared to the ultimate raid. When will FFxiv just go back to giving us proper grinds for relics instead of all this content no one plays.

There is nothing less fun than depending on 23 other people to not screw up
The playerbase has shown it cannot handle 24 man content when it's even simple stuff like regular alliance raids
It's an absolute mess in chaotic

[justausername]

I did the savages and got burned the heck out from other people constantly wiping even though they supposedly had cleared before. Week after week. I do not have confidence that a group of 24 people can do it when 8 cannot.
I don't know about other people, but this was NOT what I asked for when I wanted harder alliance raids. I just wanted something that was more along the lines of Neir when it was new. Not HARD, but fun, and the kind of content that can catch a savage raider off guard if they aren't paying attention from time to time, and makes casuals scream like chickens but laugh it off a few minutes later. This is not what this content is. This is FRUSTRAITING and mood killing.

I never thought I'd say it, but honestly my love for this game is failing. I've only logged in once or twice in weeks.

[brinn12]

Perhaps you should read what I said again, because I'm afraid I read you just fine; you want all sources of BiS to be the same substats. Boring. BiS could (and should) be made of pieces from more than just savage and tomes. You should be required to do all high end content to get true BiS.

Getting it from two sources is boring. Some pieces should come savage. Some from chaotic. Some from tome. Some from Criterion. Mix and match. Not only would you gear faster, which this game desperately needs, but variation in substats would be highly beneficial to jobs within the same role whose gear sets/melds aren't entirely compatible sometimes (i.e. VPR vs NIN). Current BiS being made of pieces from four pieces of content (savage, tome, FRU, chaotic) is the most interesting gear has been in years.

You most definitely did not understand my comment, lol. I am not saying it's a bad thing having multiple content to get BiS. Why is it so hard to understand? If you put the same substats they are still BiS. People who want to do 8-man only will still get BiS through it. People doing 24-man will get the benefit of gearing altjobs. The issue is putting better gear in 24-man, when, for a decade, this type of content wasn't in the game.

[brinn12]

Nobody's forced to do anything. You can do all content in the game just fine with pre-Chaotic bis and it'll be outdated next content drop, but I think having more gearing options for the now is good actually. If you don't wanna do Chaotic to get slightly better, don't do it, but there's no reason to deprive other players of options just because you don't wanna run the content.

If you want the actual BiS, yes, you are forced to do it on most jobs, if not all. High-end raiding in this game was always about 8 players. Why change the formula when you built a raiding community around 8-man content for 10 years?

Also what you've said in the beggining is completely wrong. There's a chance some pieces from Chaotic will be Ultimate BiS(they are now), so stating that they'll become outdated is completely wrong.

[brinn12]

Some people really think it is wise to release 24-man high-end content with Ultimate BiS, pieces better than Savage tier(not equal), when FFXIV has been keeping the same 8-man formula for a decade. We'll see how alive this content will be in the near future.