Don't do chaotic raid again

[brinn12]

It is fine if they keep releasing this content. The big mistake here is Chaotic dropping pieces better than 8-man Savage. The substats should be the same as the Savage tier, just like Criterion Savage weapons.

[Oizen]

It is fine if they keep releasing this content. The big mistake here is Chaotic dropping pieces better than 8-man Savage. The substats should be the same as the Savage tier, just like Criterion Savage weapons.

Why is that a problem?
Savage shouldn't be put on some pedistal as the end all, nor do I think it really matters that you can get a .001% damage boost from getting this gear. Its not like its even replaced the savage gear every bis I see uses a mix of all 3 sets.

[brinn12]

Why is that a problem?
Savage shouldn't be put on some pedistal as the end all, nor do I think it really matters that you can get a .001% damage boost from getting this gear. Its not like its even replaced the savage gear every bis I see uses a mix of all 3 sets.

Forcing people to do 24-man high-end duties when, for a decade, all we needed was 8-man to reach BiS, makes no sense. Content isn't for everyone and PF will not be popular long term. So keep the same substats as 8-man Savage.

[Tsumdere]

It is fine if they keep releasing this content. The big mistake here is Chaotic dropping pieces better than 8-man Savage. The substats should be the same as the Savage tier, just like Criterion Savage weapons.

Multiple ways to get BiS is good. Getting BiS from only two sources is freaking boring cuz you run the same 4 things on repeat. You cannot tell me with a straight face that you would rather repeat the same things over and over rather than having a bunch of different things to do.

BiS should drop from tomes, savage, chaotic, alliance, AND criterion.

[brinn12]

Multiple ways to get BiS is good. Getting BiS from only two sources is freaking boring cuz you run the same 4 things on repeat. You cannot tell me with a straight face that you would rather repeat the same things over and over rather than having a bunch of different things to do.

BiS should drop from tomes, savage, chaotic, alliance, AND criterion.

I never said Chaotic shouldn't reward BiS. I never said Chaotic can't be an alternative to other BiS content. Pray read again.

[Tsumdere]

I never said Chaotic shouldn't reward BiS. I never said Chaotic can't be an alternative to other BiS content. Pray read again.

Perhaps you should read what I said again, because I'm afraid I read you just fine; you want all sources of BiS to be the same substats. Boring. BiS could (and should) be made of pieces from more than just savage and tomes. You should be required to do all high end content to get true BiS.

Getting it from two sources is boring. Some pieces should come savage. Some from chaotic. Some from tome. Some from Criterion. Mix and match. Not only would you gear faster, which this game desperately needs, but variation in substats would be highly beneficial to jobs within the same role whose gear sets/melds aren't entirely compatible sometimes (i.e. VPR vs NIN). Current BiS being made of pieces from four pieces of content (savage, tome, FRU, chaotic) is the most interesting gear has been in years.

[brinn12]

Perhaps you should read what I said again, because I'm afraid I read you just fine; you want all sources of BiS to be the same substats. Boring. BiS could (and should) be made of pieces from more than just savage and tomes. You should be required to do all high end content to get true BiS.

Getting it from two sources is boring. Some pieces should come savage. Some from chaotic. Some from tome. Some from Criterion. Mix and match. Not only would you gear faster, which this game desperately needs, but variation in substats would be highly beneficial to jobs within the same role whose gear sets/melds aren't entirely compatible sometimes (i.e. VPR vs NIN). Current BiS being made of pieces from four pieces of content (savage, tome, FRU, chaotic) is the most interesting gear has been in years.

You most definitely did not understand my comment, lol. I am not saying it's a bad thing having multiple content to get BiS. Why is it so hard to understand? If you put the same substats they are still BiS. People who want to do 8-man only will still get BiS through it. People doing 24-man will get the benefit of gearing altjobs. The issue is putting better gear in 24-man, when, for a decade, this type of content wasn't in the game.

[Tsumdere]

You most definitely did not understand my comment, lol. I am not saying it's a bad thing having multiple content to get BiS. Why is it so hard to understand? If you put the same substats they are still BiS. People who want to do 8-man only will still get BiS through it. People doing 24-man will get the benefit of gearing altjobs. The issue is putting better gear in 24-man, when, for a decade, this type of content wasn't in the game.

Girly. Please stop. It's embarrassing.

It is fine if they keep releasing this content. The big mistake here is Chaotic dropping pieces better than 8-man Savage. The substats should be the same as the Savage tier, just like Criterion Savage weapons.

Perhaps you should read what I said again, because I'm afraid I read you just fine; you want all sources of BiS to be the same substats. Boring. BiS could (and should) be made of pieces from more than just savage and tomes. You should be required to do all high end content to get true BiS.

I'll reword what I was saying for you: Chaotic different substats good because doing only savage boring.

[Lilapop]

It is fine if they keep releasing this content. The big mistake here is Chaotic dropping pieces better than 8-man Savage. The substats should be the same as the Savage tier, just like Criterion Savage weapons.

Elitism at its finest. What's wrong with multiple ways to gear up?

[Eyrilona]

Elitism at its finest. What's wrong with multiple ways to gear up?

I am not sure if you were trying to agree or disagree with the post you replied to, because you both seem to be on the same side of this?