Don't do chaotic raid again

[Ardeth]

I don't care as long as I can unsync it later when it's easier and we skip 50% of the mechanics. If they keep it like they have with varients and the like, it just gets compartmentalized into dead content for me. Like Ultimates, etc. Just stuff I will never be able to do, so I remove the want from my brain. Like owning a yacht or something.

The second it's removed from the Duty Finder it's dead content to me. No amount of incentive is going to make me join a PF group for it. I'm not dealing with that toxic hardcore endgame BS.

[AnnRam]

wow

People realize you can't release any kind of challenge nor difficult content in FFXIV because you made the base game a snore visual nove fest when it's impossible to even die even if everyone goes full afk in a regular dungeon/duty.

[Mawlzy]

wow

People realize you can't release any kind of challenge nor difficult content in FFXIV because you made the base game a snore visual nove fest when it's impossible to even die even if everyone goes full afk in a regular dungeon/duty.

What game are you playing?

[Kaurhz]

What game are you playing?

Hyperbole on their part, but their point is actually very accurate. The regular dungeon/duty content in this game builds a monumental amount of complacency with players due to nothing really being even remotely punishing.

[Mawlzy]

Hyperbole on their part, but their point is actually very accurate. The regular dungeon/duty content in this game builds a monumental amount of complacency with players due to nothing really being even remotely punishing.

Depends on your definition of "punishing" I guess. I took one look at Strayborough and concluded I might take a shot next expansion, if at all.

And "punishing" is a curious word, isn't it? Not an incentive to try content for most of us.

[Kaurhz]

Depends on your definition of "punishing" I guess. I took one look at Strayborough and concluded I might take a shot next expansion, if at all.

And "punishing" is a curious word, isn't it? Not an incentive to try content for most of us.

Punishing is perhaps the wrong word, but either way..

It just generally doesn't matter or not for the most part whether you fail a mechanic and/or whether you can auto-attack a boss to death, both of these things just build up terrible complacency, both with how the difficulty 'curve' in this game works, and with how people play their classes. The game doesn't really encourage people to actually learn in most capacities.

People often seriously overestimate what the 'other' option entails. I think to a degree your response is actually an exhibit of this problem. If the game had a natural form of progression, then people wouldn't be intimidated by something like the teacups from Strayborough, or the Barreltender from Tender Valley, nor would players find it such a stressful experience, and nor would we really have threads like this created because those players that do go into this content will have a smooth transition since they would not be missing fundamentals.

[Ardeth]

wow

People realize you can't release any kind of challenge nor difficult content in FFXIV because you made the base game a snore visual nove fest when it's impossible to even die even if everyone goes full afk in a regular dungeon/duty.

Hyperbole thy name is thee.

Everyone has different reasons. I hate gaming culture. I hate the notion of carrying and pulling weight, etc. The vast majority of players don't care that this got released. But let's be real they didn't make this content for them.

For me, if I want to play a hard game, I play a single-player game. My issue with this game and online gaming in general is this constant need to look at everyone under a microscope. So much of any game is solved. Metas form. So much of the fun of discovery is snuffed out hour 1 of the content getting released. So much of it becomes x player getting mad at the team for being in last place in PvP. That's the kind of stuff that makes me unsubscribe. That's the kind of stuff that makes me not even want to attempt it. I'm sorry, but I want my gaming sessions to be chill. I want to unwind after a long day and not babysit these problem players. I'm not here for it. At the end of the day, it's all fake data. The only thing real about it is the feelings. And most groups on that spectrum give me IBS.

[AllenThyl]

Hyperbole thy name is thee.

Everyone has different reasons. I hate gaming culture. I hate the notion of carrying and pulling weight, etc. The vast majority of players don't care that this got released. But let's be real they didn't make this content for them.

For me, if I want to play a hard game, I play a single-player game. My issue with this game and online gaming in general is this constant need to look at everyone under a microscope. So much of any game is solved. Metas form. So much of the fun of discovery is snuffed out hour 1 of the content getting released. So much of it becomes x player getting mad at the team for being in last place in PvP. That's the kind of stuff that makes me unsubscribe. That's the kind of stuff that makes me not even want to attempt it. I'm sorry, but I want my gaming sessions to be chill. I want to unwind after a long day and not babysit these problem players. I'm not here for it. At the end of the day, it's all fake data. The only thing real about it is the feelings. And most groups on that spectrum give me IBS.

Quit.

I mean this with all empathy. You are not only playing the wrong game, you are playing the wrong genre, and the wrong format. You have a deeply unhealthy relationship with this game, because you don't properly manage your expectation. It's clear your lack of basic social skills is causing you immense amount of distress. You want your "gaming sessions to be chill", if the basic interaction with this game doesn't provide that, you are playing the wrong game. This is first and foremost, a combat action game, and an MMO on top of that. You join a PvP mode, which is a competitive mode, and become distressed that people in there are actually competitive. You join a duty finder group and become distressed, because others don't want to do all the work while you idle around pressing flowers.

Just unsubscribe. If you don't want to play this game the way it is in the first place, then you shouldn't play it, for your own sake. Don't give money to a company for a product you fundamentally don't enjoy.

[Mawlzy]

Quit.

I mean this with all empathy. You are not only playing the wrong game, you are playing the wrong genre, and the wrong format.

I am puzzled by this.

SE consistently produces 14 content that the majority of the players dislike and do not engage with. Then the shouty minority who do like such content turn up here to tell the majority they are playing the wrong game.

This would come as an even greater shock to the bulk of casuals who are far too sensible to come here to be insulted, and who find plenty of ways to enjoy the game (and the genre) that have nothing to do with progging tramlined fights.

[AllenThyl]

I am puzzled by this.

No surprise here.

SE consistently produces 14 content that the majority of the players dislike and do not engage with. Then the shouty minority who do like such content turn up here to tell the majority they are playing the wrong game.

As I said, no surprise here. First, high-end combat duties aren't done by some fringe minority. Second, the existence of difficult combat encounters isn't some surprise for a combat action MMORPG, it's one of the staple features of this kind of genre. When joining a tennis club, expect there to be lots of tennis, some will even do it professionally. What Ardeth is doing is joining a tennis club, and then being distressed that members of this club are, in fact, playing tennis.

This would come as an even greater shock to the bulk of casuals who are far too sensible to come here to be insulted, and who find plenty of ways to enjoy the game (and the genre) that have nothing to do with progging tramlined fights.

YOU, thankfully, don't speak for the "casuals". And neither is Ardeth representative of "the casuals". Ardeth, as an individual, has a deeply unhealthy relationship with this game. Their expectations for every single piece of content is completely out of whack. As is the impression they have from the supposed "toxicity" in pf. Playing this game isn't mandatory in any way. Queuing for any activity within the game is also not mandatory in any way. If a player doesn't have an intrinsic interest in actually doing the activity they queue for, they shouldn't. If someone feels "forced" to, that's video game addiction speaking. Some people only play tennis casually, and that is okay. That doesn't mean that everyone else also needs to lower their standards, or get dragged down morally and verbally by people who aren't even interested in tennis.