Don't do chaotic raid again

[Lilapop]

But you can recruit for said content without discord, it just takes longer without it. But that's also the nature of content that in itself is dated. Ultimates are outside of that for example, but something like DR, BA and Blue Raids are not generally current content and several expansions removed. There is no content in any MMO that transcends multiple years of relavancy and is equally as active as when it first released.

You can attempt to recruit for dated content without Discord, yes. It takes forever if the attempt is successful. Are you saying it's good that Discord is required to do some of the content of the game, or...? Because if people can't be bothered to do content despite the obvious interest in it without a Discord, that sounds like a problem.

[Lilapop]

In fairness I recall it being introduced in the LL as "A Savage Alliance Raid", I think I would have preferred an Extreme Alliance Raid as the test for this concept but hey, I'm not a dev and according to people here I'm a casual too so you know...

I don't have a problem with people joining up in 710 gear and making a good faith effort to clear, I'd rather it were a little more forgiving of minor mistakes but hey, you work with what you've got. For my part I spent the last three or four hours getting more consistent on P1 and prog-ing P2 as best I can when a number of peeps fail the last couple of things in P1. Most of the people I'm finding in PF are in a similar phase and quite welcoming, or just abandon the PF as soon as a wipe happens which sucks but then why would you join "chill prog" if you're not chill?

This raid, currently anyway, has called out the Savage raiders who normally do Savage content and more casual players who don't normally do content that's Savage level of difficulty and mixes everyone up together and expects it to go perfectly. Can the raid be cleared in and out of PF? Absolutely. Will most PFs clear this raid? Probably not. The people who typically do high-end raiding will get annoyed or fed-up with a "casual" making more mistakes than the typical savage raider and leave. The "casuals" will attempt it, might see the difficulty and figure out it's not for them, leave. Combined that with the typical PF toxicity and raiding toxicity that is present whether we all want to acknowledge it or not, and then add onto the fact that it's made for 24 people... yeah, the average PF is going to suffer. Players who don't typically do harder content are going to suffer (and therefore make the players who DO the harder content suffer too).

This raid has a targeted audience, like the Ultimate raid that came out right before this, and the savage tier that came out right before that. Whether it's "Extreme" or "Savage" isn't really relevant imo. Regardless, if someone is coming in and they primarily do MSQ, they (and therefore everyone else with them) is in for a rough time. The premise behind this content is great, the execution, so far, leaves a lot to be desired.

[Voidmage]

We're at the point in this raid tier where you can upgrade your crafted gear with infinitely farmable tomestones and get 730 tomestone gear with the alliance raid coins or infinitely farmable hunt currency.
There is literally no reason to not be 720+ when stepping into the chaotic 24man besides "I couldn't be bothered, teehee".

There were literally people taking a damn BREAK from this game.
People also try this out because ilvl 710 basically IMPLIES catch up.
And for your information just in case, I AM >720 just sadly one damn ilvl below 725 that people decide to lock this crap behind for whatever reason because dare me to actually to not play the game for a few weeks because it was just ass in content and coming back BECAUSE I wanted to try chaotic raid just to get filtered in PF by people who don’t want to do what the rewards suggest.
ACTUALLY HELPING PEOPLE CLEAR AND CATCH UP!

Instead here we are in this thread with people even wanting to gatekeep this content from those who didn’t do savage or the latest Ex.

[RulerOfPotaoes]

This content is meant to be a stepping stone in difficulty. You can't just jump straight to Chaotic as a casual 'who doesn't even do Extreme' and expect for you or anyone else in the raid to have a good time. You are doing yourself and everyone else a disservice.

Casual > Extreme > Chaotic > Savage > Ultimate.

People should already have to have cleared the previous step in difficulty to do this piece of content. Which would be Extreme clears.

Again. Gatekeeping sucks, but 'some' amount of gatekeeping is not bad either.

[Supersnow845]

This content is meant to be a stepping stone in difficulty. You can't just jump straight to Chaotic as a casual 'who doesn't even do Extreme' and expect for you or anyone else in the raid to have a good time. You are doing yourself and everyone else a disservice.

Casual > Extreme > Chaotic > Savage > Ultimate.

People should already have to have cleared the previous step in difficulty to do this piece of content. Which would be Extreme clears.

Again. Gatekeeping sucks, but 'some' amount of gatekeeping is not bad either.

Your logic is sound but the bigger problem is who was this content actually designed for

When they announced “chaotic alliance raids” did literally anyone want “24 man single boss roughly 1-2 floor of savage” difficulty

Whether the devs actually said it or the community played telephone with it this content seemed to be roughly designed as the stepping stone to extreme, not the stepping stone between 1st and 2nd and 3rd and 4th floor savage

[caffe_macchiato]

“Just the a break and go play other games! FFXIV isn’t meant to be played continuously!”

“Oh wait, you weren’t supposed to quit playing! You were supposed to grind every single week so you can do the new raid! What were you thinking by playing other games??”

People will say anything just to defend the current state of Final Fantasy XIV. It’s hilarious at this point.

[Absurdity]

Your logic is sound but the bigger problem is who was this content actually designed for

When they announced “chaotic alliance raids” did literally anyone want “24 man single boss roughly 1-2 floor of savage” difficulty

Whether the devs actually said it or the community played telephone with it this content seemed to be roughly designed as the stepping stone to extreme, not the stepping stone between 1st and 2nd and 3rd and 4th floor savage

That's an entirely separate issue, the fact that the devs are apparently incapable of designing anything but "boss in circle/square arena spamming mechanics at you".
I don't think when we heard Chaotic Alliance Raid that anybody thought it would be a single boss in some arena in the void again, basically another extreme/savage fight but with 24 people.

But that's not a problem exclusive to this particular content, it permeates a vast majority of the game.
Savage? Single boss in symmetrical arena
Extreme? Single boss in symmetrical arena
Ultimate? Single boss in symmetrical arena
Dungeons? Single boss in an occasionally not symmetrical arena
Criterion? Basically another extreme level single boss in a symmetrical arena...but this time it's only 4man

[Supersnow845]

That's an entirely separate issue, the fact that the devs are apparently incapable of designing anything but "boss in circle/square arena spamming mechanics at you".
I don't think when we heard Chaotic Alliance Raid that anybody thought it would be a single boss in some arena in the void again, basically another extreme/savage fight but with 24 people.

But that's not a problem exclusive to this particular content, it permeates a vast majority of the game.
Savage? Single boss in symmetrical arena
Extreme? Single boss in symmetrical arena
Ultimate? Single boss in symmetrical arena
Dungeons? Single boss in an occasionally not symmetrical arena
Criterion? Basically another extreme level single boss in a symmetrical arena...but this time it's only 4man

I wasn’t really referring to “single boss in circular void arena” I was referring to the level of the content, I don’t like the single boss in void arena cliche but that’s not really my problem with CAR

Basically the same problem as criterion normal. Did we really need another “different” type of content that also falls into the same range of “hard extreme, first/second floor savage, criterion and now CAR”.

[Absurdity]

I wasn’t really referring to “single boss in circular void arena” I was referring to the level of the content, I don’t like the single boss in void arena cliche but that’s not really my problem with CAR

Basically the same problem as criterion normal. Did we really need another “different” type of content that also falls into the same range of “hard extreme, first/second floor savage, criterion and now CAR”.

I'd say it falls into the same category as the singular boss in symmetrical arena, the devs being incredibly limited in their ability to design new content.
It's like they're using templates and they only include:

1. So easy that you can pretty much ignore mechanics, play on auto pilot and succeed with no effort required.
2. High amounts of coordination, only barely survivable or not at all if done incorrectly, lots of wipes to solve mechanics through trial and error.

There were literally people taking a damn BREAK from this game.

I'm sorry to say but if all you did was get 710 gear about a month into the expansion and then took a 5 month break then tough shit.
As I already said, I consider "trying your best" to also include showing up with at least current buff food and in the best gear you can reasonably acquire by playing the game at the level you are able to.
This means not showing up in the bare minimum gear just because the duty technically doesn't require more. MSQ trials technically don't require any ilvl, doesn't mean you should just show up to Everkeep normal in your level 80 tome gear.

It's not like getting 720 is some kind of unreasonable hardcore-only grind, you can get that done with nothing but some gil and roulettes in a short amount of time. But god forbid people actually have to play the most basic content for a while to progress their character enough.

People also try this out because ilvl 710 basically IMPLIES catch up.

Does it though? Savage also only requires ilvl 700-710 and for that it sure doesn't imply catch up.
None of the previews they showed implied that it's some freeby catch up gear thing, only that it's supposed to be a 24man fight somewhere between extreme trials and M3S in terms of difficulty.

And for your information just in case, I AM >720 just sadly one damn ilvl below 725 that people decide to lock this crap behind for whatever reason

Now that is probably the only valid complaint, the requirement is clearly set up to filter people out who only managed to get the so far available catch up gear.

[Fuyuqi]

There were literally people taking a damn BREAK from this game.
People also try this out because ilvl 710 basically IMPLIES catch up.
And for your information just in case, I AM >720 just sadly one damn ilvl below 725 that people decide to lock this crap behind for whatever reason because dare me to actually to not play the game for a few weeks because it was just ass in content and coming back BECAUSE I wanted to try chaotic raid just to get filtered in PF by people who don’t want to do what the rewards suggest.
ACTUALLY HELPING PEOPLE CLEAR AND CATCH UP!

Instead here we are in this thread with people even wanting to gatekeep this content from those who didn’t do savage or the latest Ex.

Sorry but you have to consider that maybe the point is to filter out people who don't raid regularly as much as possible. This fight is definitely hard enough and can waste enough peoples time that it should be locked behind something. People are intentionally setting ilvl requirements high because it filters out casual players as much as possible and I can't blame them.