Don't do chaotic raid again

[brinn12]

Why change it? Because its 10 years later and the same formula is clearly showing its issues throughout this entire expansion. Or would you like another reason?

There are many things this expansion is doing wrong, but I don't recall the fact that we have 8-man raids being an issue at any time. The FFXIV raid community was built around 8 people raiding. If you change what isn't broken in the formula, you'll lose even more players. Especially considering the bad things are getting worse already, like job homogenization, game balance and linear/predictable MSQ quests.

[Lilapop]

There are many things this expansion is doing wrong, but I don't recall the fact that we have 8-man raids being an issue at any time. The FFXIV raid community was built around 8 people raiding. If you change what isn't broken in the formula, you'll lose even more players. Especially considering the bad things are getting worse already, like job homogenization, game balance and linear/predictable MSQ quests.

But, there was a demand for a 24 person raid, just not at this difficulty. You're coming at them for making a raid with the amount of players than the community actually wanted. Do you want them to listen or not?

[Absurdity]

If you want the actual BiS, yes, you are forced to do it on most jobs, if not all. High-end raiding in this game was always about 8 players. Why change the formula when you built a raiding community around 8-man content for 10 years?

Also what you've said in the beggining is completely wrong. There's a chance some pieces from Chaotic will be Ultimate BiS(they are now), so stating that they'll become outdated is completely wrong.

Except it hasn't been. You know what had a vast majority of BiS pieces at the end of Stormblood? Eureka.
Sure it was technically 10 item level lower but the Elemental+1 gear often had not only the best substats but also 5 guaranteed materia slots. It was in fact so good that it enabled playstyles we haven't seen since, like maximum speed BLM, SAM and MNK, add to that a relic weapon with up to a 1000 substat total which completely invalidated the savage weapons if you were prepared to put in the time.

The world didn't end back then and it isn't gonna end now with gear that is a miniscule percentage upgrade in comparison.

As for the current ultimate, it is entirely possible that the chaotic gear becomes obsolete as soon as the next dungeon with 635 ilvl gear releases.


But the general idea is something I can get behind, we need more sources to get BiS gear so we're not entirely shackled to the terrible 450 tomestone cap, weekly savage lockout and the atrocious loot system for anyone not playing in a static.
Put the crit/det gear (because let's be honest, nobody wants piety or tenacity on their items anyway) in savage, put it in chaotic, put it in criterion... hell put it in alliance raids, they're supposed to be for catch up after the raid tier is basically over anyway.

[brinn12]

Except it hasn't been. You know what had a vast majority of BiS pieces at the end of Stormblood? Eureka.
Sure it was technically 10 item level lower but the Elemental+1 gear often had not only the best substats but also 5 guaranteed materia slots. It was in fact so good that it enabled playstyles we haven't seen since, like maximum speed BLM, SAM and MNK, add to that a relic weapon with up to a 1000 substat total which completely invalidated the savage weapons if you were prepared to put in the time.

The world didn't end back then and it isn't gonna end now with gear that is a miniscule percentage upgrade in comparison.

As for the current ultimate, it is entirely possible that the chaotic gear becomes obsolete as soon as the next dungeon with 635 ilvl gear releases.


But the general idea is something I can get behind, we need more sources to get BiS gear so we're not entirely shackled to the terrible 450 tomestone cap, weekly savage lockout and the atrocious loot system for anyone not playing in a static.
Put the crit/det gear (because let's be honest, nobody wants piety or tenacity on their items anyway) in savage, put it in chaotic, put it in criterion... hell put it in alliance raids, they're supposed to be for catch up after the raid tier is basically over anyway.

Eureka wasn't get in arena and kill boss, high-end content. You can't really compare gearing up in Eureka to progging 24-man high-end content in PF.

And even if you could, why would you argue that the raid community wasn't built around 8 players? What about every Savage tier and Ultimate released?

[Lilapop]

Eureka wasn't get in arena and kill boss, high-end content. You can't really compare gearing up in Eureka to progging 24-man high-end content in PF.

And even if you could, why would you argue that the raid community wasn't built around 8 players? What about every Savage tier and Ultimate released?

Why is Savage and Ultimate the only thing you acknowledge as a raid? Playing into that just to play devil's advocate. DRS. DR Savage. Made to hold 24-48 people.

[Kuroka]

Eureka wasn't get in arena and kill boss, high-end content.

Right, Eureka was the only REAL raid we got, everything else is just another trial, often very disconnected from the previous one....

EDIT. Ok sry, the Bozja stuff as well, but i cant judge as i never did Savage and abandoned it fast, as the grind was BS.

[mangelinabrolee]

100% agree, I am noticing the content isnt that popular anyways on the NA servers. only like 3 PFs at time max im seeing for it compared to the ultimate raid. When will FFxiv just go back to giving us proper grinds for relics instead of all this content no one plays.

There is nothing less fun than depending on 23 other people to not screw up
The playerbase has shown it cannot handle 24 man content when it's even simple stuff like regular alliance raids
It's an absolute mess in chaotic

[Menriq]

100% agree, I am noticing the content isnt that popular anyways on the NA servers. only like 3 PFs at time max im seeing for it compared to the ultimate raid. When will FFxiv just go back to giving us proper grinds for relics instead of all this content no one plays.

I think it's because I've seen a lot of organizing move to Discord and away from PF after the first couple of days.

[MisterNublet]

I think it's because I've seen a lot of organizing move to Discord and away from PF after the first couple of days.

It is solely because with Discord, you can remove the prog-liars and inconsistent players from the server so they're no longer able to drag 23 other players down.

I've been trying to help other players get their clears over the last three days in PF and every "clear" party, the only thing they've been consistent in is dying to the first round of pairs/spreads every pull, missing 1 to 2 tower-1s, and ganking each other on tiles.

Every time I've called them out for repeatedly failing mechanics, half the alliance white knights, only for them to mess up again the next pull and the other half abandons the raid.

[justausername]

I did the savages and got burned the heck out from other people constantly wiping even though they supposedly had cleared before. Week after week. I do not have confidence that a group of 24 people can do it when 8 cannot.
I don't know about other people, but this was NOT what I asked for when I wanted harder alliance raids. I just wanted something that was more along the lines of Neir when it was new. Not HARD, but fun, and the kind of content that can catch a savage raider off guard if they aren't paying attention from time to time, and makes casuals scream like chickens but laugh it off a few minutes later. This is not what this content is. This is FRUSTRAITING and mood killing.

I never thought I'd say it, but honestly my love for this game is failing. I've only logged in once or twice in weeks.