Don't do chaotic raid again

[brinn12]

Some people really think it is wise to release 24-man high-end content with Ultimate BiS, pieces better than Savage tier(not equal), when FFXIV has been keeping the same 8-man formula for a decade. We'll see how alive this content will be in the near future.

[Aco505]

Some people really think it is wise to release 24-man high-end content with Ultimate BiS, pieces better than Savage tier(not equal), when FFXIV has been keeping the same 8-man formula for a decade. We'll see how alive this content will be in the near future.

The difference for DPS jobs is so minuscule that it doesn't matter. It only really makes it better for tanks and healers and not by that big of an amount. The pieces are the same ilvl as Savage, they simply have better stat distribution for T/H due to some of them not having piety or tenacity.

[FlorineC]

If you want the actual BiS, yes, you are forced to do it on most jobs, if not all. High-end raiding in this game was always about 8 players. Why change the formula when you built a raiding community around 8-man content for 10 years?

I mean yes, if you want the reward from the content you have to do the content, that is true. But nobody's making you get that reward. All the content in the game is designed around the pre-Chaotic gear. You don't need any of it for anything except making your number a tiny, tiny bit bigger. It's like complaining about Ultimate weapons being better than Savage. "Why change the formula from the best weapon being from the final raid boss, why should I have to do this other thing to get a better weapon? I don't wanna do the Ultimate so it shouldn't give anything that I want so that other people can't have anything from it!" I can't think of a single compelling reason why there should be some rule that non-savage/tome gear shouldn't have different/better substats on some pieces. I think the variety is good, and my only complaint is that the Chaotic didn't come out sooner so that the new, marginal BiS pieces could've been used longer or we could've gotten some more timely alternate avenues of gear progression.

[FudoMyoo]

I disagree.

Variety is always good. Even though I dont do raids.

[Maltothoris]

Eh I prefer because both hands and feet were garbage both versions of them. Even more so with the 7.1 making the shield gcd cost less now

[Collin_Sky]

I have no idea how someone is against more choice in gearing options lmao
Imagine wanting the rewards to be useless because they have the same substats as Savage/Tome gear

[Ravennes]

I have no idea how someone is against more choice in gearing options lmao
Imagine wanting the rewards to be useless because they have the same substats as Savage/Tome gear

i think it is because the Devs have absolutely dumbed down how the game works...
Everything is DPS from healers to tanks to DPS itself

naturally.. critical hits and any stats that boost DPS will favour
and many classes benefits so much more from crits and Direct hit...

Any other stat than this is pointless basically
so i see where they're comming from, best in my book is the gear is temporary placeholder until you find the suitable one, so still okay in my book
unless they make tenacity and piety actually... mandatory in a fight or content, don't see it happening

[brinn12]

I have no idea how someone is against more choice in gearing options lmao
Imagine wanting the rewards to be useless because they have the same substats as Savage/Tome gear

Not useless by any means, when this game has a horrible Savage loot system, with a 450 tomestone cap. You could still gear alt jobs. If this content is popular for months like 8-man Savage, sure, it should be part of every job's BiS. But the point is, we don't know yet, which is why I am opposed.

I also have no idea how someone is against the release of 24-man high-end content, but in favor of it rewarding better pieces than 8-man. Hard to believe you are the OP.

[Collin_Sky]

Not useless by any means, when this game has a horrible Savage loot system, with a 450 tomestone cap. You could still gear alt jobs. If this content is popular for months like 8-man Savage, sure, it should be part of every job's BiS. But the point is, we don't know yet, which is why I am opposed.

I also have no idea how someone is against the release of 24-man high-end content, but in favor of it rewarding better pieces than 8-man. Hard to believe you are the OP.

Are you seriously confused about how I can dislike the design of the 24 man content but still want more gearing options? These are two completely separate things.

I don't care where the gear comes from, as long as there are more max item level options to choose from. Before Chaotic gear, healer BiS was 727, which was awful. With the addition of Chaotic gear, healer BiS is now 730. It's the same for tanks - I've been able to drop tenacity on the body piece in favor of a more useful stat.

More gearing options are beneficial and healthy for players who care about optimizing their performance. There's no reason to be against this.

[FlorineC]

I have no idea how someone is against more choice in gearing options lmao
Imagine wanting the rewards to be useless because they have the same substats as Savage/Tome gear

Honestly my guess is that they're a parser who's mad that other players can get better gear than them so they can't get the biggest number on fflogs, as if that matters at all.