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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    Every job should have its own mitigation ability. After all, everyone needs to know how to fight in our violent world.

    Knowing how to block an attack should be one of the first things a character should learn. Whether or not a character knows how to mitigate an attack on another character should be related to the fantasy of their job.
    I meant party-wide mits, probably should've specified. I think personal mits are pretty necessary (looking at you VPR), though how strong they should be is another thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    I meant party-wide mits, probably should've specified. I think personal mits are pretty necessary (looking at you VPR), though how strong they should be is another thing
    To be fair that’s arguably the entire problem, every class in the game has at least 1 mitigation so in a world where healers are more seen as mitigators than actual healers one of the healers having the least mitigation of any class in the game ends up being problematic for balance
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    To be fair that’s arguably the entire problem, every class in the game has at least 1 mitigation so in a world where healers are more seen as mitigators than actual healers one of the healers having the least mitigation of any class in the game ends up being problematic for balance
    I wasn't implying WHM having the least mitigation is fine though? I just still think at least a self mitigation is necessary to deal with clutch situations.

    Though I think it all really stems from there not being enough things to manage since they've largely removed MP/TP and aggro management. All the jobs are fighting over who gets to have dps and who gets to have mitigation because that's kind of all there's left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    I wasn't implying WHM having the least mitigation is fine though? I just still think at least a self mitigation is necessary to deal with clutch situations.

    Though I think it all really stems from there not being enough things to manage since they've largely removed MP/TP and aggro management. All the jobs are fighting over who gets to have dps and who gets to have mitigation because that's kind of all there's left.
    Oh sorry I wasn’t accusing you just kinda pinballing off you

    My mistake for not making that clearer
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess