Don't do chaotic raid again

[Kaurhz]

You know, they could have made a normal version. Make it slightly harder than Dalriada/Castrum Lacus Litore and that's it.

Normal version loot:

-1 normal raid gear token, 5 tokens per armor piece (ilvl 720, undyable).
-1 normal raid mount token, 50 tokens can be traded for Dais of Darkness mount.
-1 hairstyle token, 30 tokens required for the hairstyle.
-1 armor coffer.

Savage version loot:

-1 savage raid gear token, 1 token per armor piece (ilvl 730, dyable).
-25 normal raid mount tokens.
-1 savage raid mount token, 2 can be traded for Shroud of Darkness mount.
-15 hairstyle tokens.
-2 savage armor coffers.

See? You give us casuals something to do, a reasonable grind. And savage raiders get their exclusive rewards. No one's left behind. Oh well, I can live without that shiny armor or fancy mounts, but why lock the most coveted item of them all, the hairstyle, behind a 24-man savage raid? What was the logic behind the decision? First you lock a new weapon set (figmental weapons) behind ungodly layers of rng and now this? Do you have any respect for our time? Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for free stuff, but could you at least cook up some alternative ways to get the stuff? If you want people to stay subbed, this is an obvious solution.

This so much.

I honestly wouldn't find it all as much of an issue if I weren't personally convinced that this content will be on life support by March/April with Discord.

[Rolks]

This so much.

I honestly wouldn't find it all as much of an issue if I weren't personally convinced that this content will be on life support by March/April with Discord.

Oh, this is totally going to direction of Criterion Dungeons. No one will be doing this in four months.

[Menriq]

Oh, this is totally going to direction of Criterion Dungeons. No one will be doing this in four months.

Nah, my guess is it will end up be being like BA / RS and discord groups will be running these for a while.

[Daralii]

Nah, my guess is it will end up be being like BA / RS and discord groups will be running these for a while.

The main difference is that BA and DRS have a decent amount of novelty in their gameplay. The only thing CoD 3 really has to differentiate it from an extra savage floor is the number of people, so I don't see it having the same kind of longevity once the hairstyle's value declines.

[Kaurhz]

Oh, this is totally going to direction of Criterion Dungeons. No one will be doing this in four months.

I think people will do it, but it will be by virtue of Discord, where groups are organized on there far in advance of when they go in, rather than via PF. I view this as a problem because it means the content cannot stand on its own two feet, and is not something easily facilitated in-game outside of the first few weeks.

[Supersnow845]

I think people will do it, but it will be by virtue of Discord, where groups are organized on there far in advance of when they go in, rather than via PF. I view this as a problem because it means the content cannot stand on its own two feet, and is not something easily facilitated in-game outside of the first few weeks.

Discord doesn’t lend itself well to this like it does to BA

You can shotcall BA start to finish (I’ve regularly called BA and I can literally call out every mechanic and exactly how to solve it, organise all the parties and control entry via ovni and the portals)

This is basically just a big savage raid, you can call out “towers are coming” but that doesn’t really help if people aren’t actually solving the mechanics correctly

At best discord may help in the way collecting small groups for things like MINE savage from ARR and HW but that’s basically just advertising on PF by a different name

[MisterNublet]

At best discord may help in the way collecting small groups for things like MINE savage from ARR and HW but that’s basically just advertising on PF by a different name

Clearing Chaotic through discord is going to be inevitable. PF is full of inconsiderate players, limsa-afkers, prog-traps, and trolls.

Discord will be able to ban those players from the server/community, allowing 24 players to have a better experience.

This is both the fault of CBU3 and the playerbase. CBU3 for allowing players who's hardest content clears are msq dungeons to enter Chaotic, and the playerbase who are mainly leechers hoping 23 other players will carry them across the finish line so they can roll on the hair design.