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    Quote Originally Posted by remiff View Post
    It's really a shame that they don't use this content as a stepping stone towards higher difficulty levels,
    as higher difficulty levels won't motivate the majority of the player base to engage with them.
    Why? Why is such a thing even required? The normal raids exist. The Alliance Raids exist (and the DT difficulty is up quite a bit compared to EW). The Extreme trials exist, especially EX1 and EX2 are quite a bit easier mechanics wise. And with current gear, also more forgiving. The current Unreal exists, which is basically the most beginner friendly Unreal there could possibly be! At some point, if someone is interested in the harder content, they will have no choice but to actually go into said harder content. All this talk about "introduction" and "stepping stones" and similar nonsense is just the normal excuses people make for procrastination. There is no shame to join a "beginner learning" group, I regularly see them in pf. There is also no shame in making one. And there is especially no shame in just trying to get the first mechanics of a fight down until comfortable, instead of prog lying, which has become way too common.

    Quote Originally Posted by remiff View Post
    It’s fair to create content for everyone, including the top 1%, but there needs to be a balance.
    Absolutely blatant lie. It's frankly disgusting how easily you just make up a statistic like that without becoming ashamed of yourself.
    According to lalachievement,
    - 61.1% of characters have finished the DT MSQ.
    - 54.6% of characters have cleared m4n once
    - 22.1% of characters have cleared m4s once

    That's not "1%". Even if you start liberally applying modifiers like "raiders with alts" and all that. Heck, I give you a modifier of 20%, it would still be higher than "1%". High end content isn't a "niche" thing in FF14. A significant portion of the player base engages in high level combat content. Just because YOU have a thousand and one excuses to not even start, doesn't mean everyone else has your problems as well. Stop projecting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllenThyl View Post
    Absolutely blatant lie. It's frankly disgusting how easily you just make up a statistic like that without becoming ashamed of yourself.
    If I wasn’t at risk of getting picked up for RMT concerns I would literally start paying people on this forum to look up hyperbole, it is such a basic concept I have no idea why people still pretend like it’s a disqualification and not a regular part of how a lot of people talk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    If I wasn’t at risk of getting picked up for RMT concerns I would literally start paying people on this forum to look up hyperbole, it is such a basic concept I have no idea why people still pretend like it’s a disqualification and not a regular part of how a lot of people talk
    I get what you are saying, but in this day and age, people will believe a lot of things without looking into it themselves, and there are people who really do believe there is just 1% that engage in the higher difficulty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    If I wasn’t at risk of getting picked up for RMT concerns I would literally start paying people on this forum to look up hyperbole, it is such a basic concept I have no idea why people still pretend like it’s a disqualification and not a regular part of how a lot of people talk
    Because it's dishonest. If "a lot of people" are basically dishonest, that's not a good thing either. Especially in a discussion forum. I mean, what's the point of any discussion, if spewing blatant untruths is an acceptable mode of operation? Even worse, when such a blatant untruth is the whole argument to begin with!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllenThyl View Post
    Because it's dishonest. If "a lot of people" are basically dishonest, that's not a good thing either. Especially in a discussion forum. I mean, what's the point of any discussion, if spewing blatant untruths is an acceptable mode of operation? Even worse, when such a blatant untruth is the whole argument to begin with!
    Okay I’m going to ask you again to look up hyperbole because if you see “they need to balance the 1% that do high end content” and believe that person actually means 1% exactly then that’s on you. It’s obvious they meant a “strong minority” which is exactly what the proportion that does savage is. It’s just a figure of speech like it isn’t deceptive, this isn’t hard to understand
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Okay I’m going to ask you again to look up hyperbole because if you see “they need to balance the 1% that do high end content” and believe that person actually means 1% exactly then that’s on you. It’s obvious they meant a “strong minority” which is exactly what the proportion that does savage is. It’s just a figure of speech like it isn’t deceptive, this isn’t hard to understand
    If you don't value honest discussion and are okay with dishonest behavior, there is nothing I can tell you. It's simply a difference in ethical standards. The "1%" implies that high level combat content is "niche". It's not. You defending such a rhetorical maneuver thinking that it will be "obvious" for everyone what was "really" meant just shows how utterly naive you are about your fellow humans. Rhetoric matters, it is indicative of people's world view and shapes it in return.
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