#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Tigore]

Care to elaborate why you feel HoTs are overrated, Kohashi?

If you mean something like Regen vs. Afflatus Solace, I do agree the lily heals should generally be managed first to charge Misery.

If you mean Cure 2 vs. Regen, the Regen usually wins out by essentially being cheaper on mana at the cost of healing slower over 18 ish seconds. We have the cooldowns Asylum and Temperance that can be used in addition to Regen as well. Medica 2 / 3 also factors in since a few others just stated how the total healing there trumps Cure 2 as well. Plus the tanks can also mitigate damage with short cooldowns.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I think they meant Medica III/Helios Conjunction spammers. That still doesn't discount the magnitude of both actions being always available outside gated by MP cost though, which is powerful on the hands of better healers. Beginner healers tend to not pay attention to things like regen ticks so seeing one who spams and overwrite their own HoT isn't quite a novelty.

[Neoyoshi]

Holy helios batman, this thread still lives.

[Tigore]

Yeah, that is a good catch to the discussion, Rein. Although as you said, it's just a beginner learning the class in the case of overwriting their own HoTs too early.

I've honest to God saw a PLD spam Rage of Halone during the Heavensward time. More than likely, they saw the combo potency, but missed the part where it needed the 2nd prior combo hit. Otherwise, 100 potency hits. Forgot the name of the deleted enmity 2nd hit, but it is all on Riot Blade now. We still see the combo sequence needed since the tanks need to have some fun mastering their class. Now if only that logic is applied to healers too >.>

As for the BLM class that I tried out, I did try out a fast cast scenario for the tank pulling groups 1 and 2 together. Since Thunderhead procs from every instance of switching stances, I was manipulating this with alternated Fire 2 / Blizzard 2 casts. It's still not amazing, but it's better than no damage while jogging with everyone.

[Kohashi]

I disagree. HoTs are great when you know you won't be taking more damage for a while, which is often.

Provide high-end instances where medica 2/3 is a better option than Afflatus Rapture is for example.

There is no reason not to do Rapture considering it's a DPS gain overall with a 20s replenish.

Care to elaborate why you feel HoTs are overrated, Kohashi?

Sure. because there are better spells that achieve better results. The only instance where Medica 2, regen, and Cure 2 are valuable is in low-level dungeons. Otherwise, there is very little incentive to use them.

Another example is Physis 2 where what you want is not necessarily the HOT but the 10% extra heal which not only strengthens your shield but makes subsequent spells heal more when you have a timeframe where you take repeated raidwides. (like intermission into multiple strong hits in phase 2 of m4s).

[Moqi]

Holy helios batman, this thread still lives.

It's only gotten worse with DT.

[ForsakenRoe]

I don't necessarily agree that HOT spells (ie GCDs) are inefficient, wasteful, etc. I think that their 'usefulness' is simply a victim of 'how much gear do I have'. In something where you have low gear, or the item level is locked to make it 'always hard', (aka, week 1 Savage or Ultimate), HOT GCDs are pretty good in terms of 'efficiency'. It's when we outgear the fight by 20 ILVL because we have BIS, and people take less damage because they're also in BIS (higher Def/MDef stats) that we feel we don't need those spells anymore, because our OGCD kit can handle the healing required.

For example, I don't want to imagine trying to do something like Natural Alignment from P8S, in Week 1 gear, without using Medica 2 or Regen to keep HP levels more stable. Maybe AST could get away with it even in Week 1 because it had so many OGCD options (with a lot of them on a 60s CD), but I tried AST there in prog like a single time, got hand cramps from trying the opener on loop, and thought 'it's not worth the effort or the discomfort'

[Kohashi]

I don't necessarily agree that HOT spells (ie GCDs) are inefficient, wasteful, etc. I think that their 'usefulness' is simply a victim of 'how much gear do I have'. In something where you have low gear, or the item level is locked to make it 'always hard', (aka, week 1 Savage or Ultimate), HOT GCDs are pretty good in terms of 'efficiency'. It's when we outgear the fight by 20 ILVL because we have BIS, and people take less damage because they're also in BIS (higher Def/MDef stats) that we feel we don't need those spells anymore, because our OGCD kit can handle the healing required.

For example, I don't want to imagine trying to do something like Natural Alignment from P8S, in Week 1 gear, without using Medica 2 or Regen to keep HP levels more stable. Maybe AST could get away with it even in Week 1 because it had so many OGCD options (with a lot of them on a 60s CD), but I tried AST there in prog like a single time, got hand cramps from trying the opener on loop, and thought 'it's not worth the effort or the discomfort'

The only instance where Medica 2 was remotely an option was during High Concept because the boss left the arena so there was no need to DPS. But then again, was very niche because it had a limited area of coverage. Search for Arthars tree incident to have a laugh and also see why medica 2 was a bad choice instead of a oCGD heal.

[Supersnow845]

The only instance where Medica 2 was remotely an option was during High Concept because the boss left the arena so there was no need to DPS. But then again, was very niche because it had a limited area of coverage. Search for Arthars tree incident to have a laugh and also see why medica 2 was a bad choice instead of a oCGD heal.

I remember a time when medica 2’s entire NICHE was it had 5 more yalms on it than succor or aspected Helios

Ironically this is one time when medica 2 isn’t the issue, or is it HOT’s in general, it’s bloat of pointless oGCD’s too many of which have HOT’s attached to them when they don’t need it

[Maltothoris]

Provide high-end instances where medica 2/3 is a better option than Afflatus Rapture is for example.

There is no reason not to do Rapture considering it's a DPS gain overall with a 20s replenish.




Sure. because there are better spells that achieve better results. The only instance where Medica 2, regen, and Cure 2 are valuable is in low-level dungeons. Otherwise, there is very little incentive to use them.

Another example is Physis 2 where what you want is not necessarily the HOT but the 10% extra heal which not only strengthens your shield but makes subsequent spells heal more when you have a timeframe where you take repeated raidwides. (like intermission into multiple strong hits in phase 2 of m4s).

Hello World from TOP, A fait bit of Ucob, the second boss in mount rokkan criterion savage, the start of the eye phase from Dsr, tea soft enrage before perfect alex. Thrte still a few parts where its more useful than rapture.