#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Supersnow845]

White mage isn’t even a class anyway in its current form so it’s not like it changes anything

[klu]

not to mention all they have is a tank and hasnt touched anything else.

Lmao. Google "forum alt". It works *wonders*

[klu]

Healer numbers in regular content may not be dropping, but healer quality certainly fell off a cliff.

Remember all the people coming into this thread after DT launch complaining about "those healerstrikers that only do damage and don't heal"? Yeah, those aren't the healerstrikers, those are the DPS mains that Yoshi P wants desperately to attract to the healer role.

You get what you design for.

... I gonna have to give it to your chief. Healer quality has in fact fallen off a bit, and I don't think I really put the two together.

[klu]

You dared to have issues with there god square enix Is the problem

Their.
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[klu]

Let's back up for a moment. I am trying to speak the truth about what is happening and now it feels like I am being silenced for that. Shouldn't I be deserving to voice my criticisms on the matter too?

I didn't say anything at first since Klu sounded quite snarky at first. Later on, they seemed to have bowed out wishing luck to us and they were still getting demonized for that.

I appreciate it Tigs.

I see a lot of online whining. I think we all do. Maybe it'd be better if we saw less, I'm 41 and still kinda thinking on that one.

I see this healer strike thread, and it immediately strikes me as just more self-important whinging into a vacuum, a sort of toddler tantrum complete with stomping feet.

And I wonder why we still do this. Like how many times has a "strike" in a video game really helped? (Unless said strike included the cancelation of money...)

So yeah. I came in here and was surprised that this thing still had legs this long after DT dropped. Devs world wide have never been as fluent in any coding language ever conceived as they are in the language of "dont care, didnt ask, gg lawl."

So why bother?

Well, as I learned, the state of healer issues has in fact been something Yoshi himself has learned about, and commented in. So there's that.

I have never seen an event quite like that. Wouldn't have believed it was possible. My hats off to the squeaky wheels.

[Tigore]

I've definitely seen a lot of complaining on other forums in the past too. I've had some discussions with a few people on how some ideas could solve the problems. The SCH fairy is an obvious one with debate still, but I am still uncertain about other parts like which card system to use for AST. We may have mentions of the oldest one, but those were also the days we dreaded seeing "The Spire" and "The Arrow". Only BLMs seemed to like the Arrow and I believe NINs hated that card and asked us not to give it to them since it drifted their rotation. In which case, ForsakenRoe seems to have some good ideas from what I noticed. They are already neatly placed in a thread of its own too. https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ou-fix-it-line. Hope I got that link working.

I get that venting frustrations and complaining can raise awareness to the problem, but we eventually learn that it's only really good with drawing attention to the problem. Someone still has to come up with a solution to solve it. The frustration happened ever since Shadowbringers with letting the devs decide what was the best solution, so it may very well fall to us to say what is needed now. It doesn't make sense to tell someone to come up with something for us if we already know they don't know what that is >.>

In any case, those have been my frustrations. Players are telling us the healer strike may not be digging deep enough and they may very well be right. I have a Savage raiding friend, but he doesn't notice the green river as much from forming static groups. So it comes down to how well the dungeon finder wait times are for judgment. Looking at some other YouTube video comments, the healers are still looked at as very melodramatic as you said, Klu. Since we can only expect so much from new healers trying out the role. Although the suggestion to actually drop the game would be a bit "too permanent" so to speak. If I am having to do that, I am either very busy with something else or I am done and don't care anymore.

It's clear that at least some here have indeed boycotted the healer role for queuing for dungeons. I am levelling DPS classes as a main reason, but I am still persistent with DPS for the Expert roulette now. I might use the healer role for friends like for map parties, but that is my only exception so far. The plan I am thinking of is something akin to malicious compliance. Let the devs think the new healers replaced the veterans and teach the new players how to heal efficiently if asked. I will also try my best to perform well enough so they don't need to heal as much. Some days lag gets in the way or I don't notice something on time, but it happens. Once they can Glare spam like us, they can decide if they like it or not. I noticed several have come in to say they did not and joined the cause.

[JuicyHeals]

So then what do you gain by shittingg on people for what you call whining? People have pretty valid grievances and they're allowed to voice concern for it.

Maybe the strike will or won't work but what's not needed is for you to come and disregard this as a nothing burger

[Silver-Strider]

I fail to see how reintroducing a mit/shield to the level 15-30 range and bringing lilies down to the level 30-50 range would "kneecap the class anymore than it already is", pray explain how that logic works.

Because we're trying to prevent bad habits from forming in the 1st place. Since we're going to unlock Cure 2 at level 30 with freecure shortly thereafter, it seems confusing to also introduce the Lily System at a similar time as the 2 system seem to conflict with one another and while I do acknowledge that Freecure does need to be removed, the fact that it's survived 10 years without being touched, leads me to believe the Devs wouldn't remove it, even if they introduced the Lily System earlier on. I would rather that people get accustomed to using Lilies, Tetra and Stoneskin 1st, before Freecure can ever get its claws into people at all. The ONLY way, I would welcome Freecure remaining, is if they did something to make using Cure1/2 actually appealing to utilize instead of their current state of scraping the bottom of the barrel desperation buttons.

I do apologize if I came off as antagonistic, that was not my intention but after so many arguments about trying to make WHM better constantly getting rainroaded by people that come in and say "WHM is fine as is", it just comes out as a reflex at this point.

[Alice_Rivers]

I kind of understand the rationale for creating Freecure but it's also a clear failure of design, rather than being a chance for free cure 2, it should be either MP based or token based so that it charges as long as you're below 2k MP or you get one charge for every three cure 1 casts so that it's actually useful. While it's true to say that EW WHM is the only iteration I have experience with I don't really have a problem with it but I'm also not especially attached to it either, I just think that gauges should be consistently a job thing rather than a class thing.

[klu]

So then what do you gain by shittingg on people for what you call whining? People have pretty valid grievances and they're allowed to voice concern for it.

Maybe the strike will or won't work but what's not needed is for you to come and disregard this as a nothing burger

Let's not do a validity spiral okay? You're entitled to raise grievances, I'm entitled to criticized them, you're entitled to criticize me right back, yadda yadda yadda.