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  1. #9451
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigore View Post
    Certainly. I was looking more towards some who only care that a clear happens. /looks at WAR casting Nascent Flash on a random DPS when the healer goes down. I understand this is an obvious problem for a tank to be able to do this, but this is what we are dealing with for the strike.

    In my case, I still help the best I can for new healers. We did have some newcomers come in to post we were right about the boring filler spam once they got good at healing. In a way, an indirect way to bolster the strike numbers if they know how we feel. But still, some others I've talked to still just notice the wait times are the same and they still clear.
    I mean if squares “solution” to the healer problem is making the tanks even more immortal and have even more party healing then there really is nothing we can do at that point, it will eventually have to come to a point where the healer role is basically exclusively filled with people who are just there to get carried and that’s going to create friction
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  2. #9452
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I mean if squares “solution” to the healer problem is making the tanks even more immortal and have even more party healing then there really is nothing we can do at that point, it will eventually have to come to a point where the healer role is basically exclusively filled with people who are just there to get carried and that’s going to create friction
    Considering SE's current logic for the Phys Ranged role seemingly being 'well they justify their place in the party because of the 1% buff', I would expect SE's solution to make healers feel 'needed' would be to make all instances of damage against the party be doubled, and a trait added to all healers that says 'all allies gain a passive 50% damage reduction when you're in the party' such that any party with a healer experiences no difference, but any party that forgoes a healer in favour of extra DPS, they take 2x damage and instantly explode on the first raidwide
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  3. #9453
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Considering SE's current logic for the Phys Ranged role seemingly being 'well they justify their place in the party because of the 1% buff', I would expect SE's solution to make healers feel 'needed' would be to make all instances of damage against the party be doubled, and a trait added to all healers that says 'all allies gain a passive 50% damage reduction when you're in the party' such that any party with a healer experiences no difference, but any party that forgoes a healer in favour of extra DPS, they take 2x damage and instantly explode on the first raidwide
    Reminds me of the first Absolute Zero raidwide at the start of E8S, which absolutely did explode the entire party early on with no mitigation.
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  4. #9454
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    Tigore Collson
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    I know some tanks like being OP Gods ( experience from MoP Warcraft), but I can imagine it also being a perspective of obscured data averaging too. Possibly a consequence of no healer dev from what I hear. If they were getting "too good", it might mean the mitigation cooldowns are just that good >.> Just sayin', Square. It gets down to looking at the average clear times and wait times at that point. So if those metrics actually raise, more people would hopefully notice the new players are even dropping out with us too.

    That does look interesting with the OGCD approach of getting a shield and raw healing Embrace out. Almost like the fairy remembered us doing the Adlo > Physick loop.
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  5. #9455
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    So, what is your point, exactly? Does it really bother you that much if people want to post in a forum thread? There are plenty of threads to select.

    Edited- as it's particularly interesting as it seems that you're interested enough to make almost all of your posts in this one thread, and all of them just to complain. Bored much?
    You dared to have issues with there god square enix Is the problem
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  6. #9456
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    Umm, they retracted their statement since there is a glimmer of hope we may have progress. It may be a concern we are only complaining about the situation. Which, by the way, Strider was also brainstorming one set of cooldown skills reducing the cooldown timers of other skills for WHM. As well as axing Freecure.
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  7. #9457
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigore View Post
    Umm, they retracted their statement since there is a glimmer of hope we may have progress. It may be a concern we are only complaining about the situation. Which, by the way, Strider was also brainstorming one set of cooldown skills reducing the cooldown timers of other skills for WHM. As well as axing Freecure.
    That’s basically just toilet paper lilys
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #9458
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    At least hold off on the lilies until you have your WHM soul stone since it's supposed to be a WHM thing, not a CNJ thing... I could see Stoneskin coming back in the CNJ level range though and upgrading to Benison sounds good. Also how is freecure still a thing?
    I'd argue that whatever distinction may have existed for Class/Jobs is well and truly dead at this point. CNJ as a class was supposed to focus on Earth/Wind/Water magic but they don't even have a Water Spell with Fluid Aura gone. Now, Aqua Veil is the only water skill and it's learned as a WHM so why kneecap the class anymore than it already is just for a bygone distinction that even the Devs have long since abandoned?
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  9. #9459
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigore View Post
    Umm, they retracted their statement since there is a glimmer of hope we may have progress. It may be a concern we are only complaining about the situation
    Honestly, I'd say that people have the right to air their criticisms whether they're being heard or not. People don't have to enter threads they don't like nor are they forced to comment in them.

    No one user has the right to be forum police unless they have the moderator tag.
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  10. #9460
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    Let's back up for a moment. I am trying to speak the truth about what is happening and now it feels like I am being silenced for that. Shouldn't I be deserving to voice my criticisms on the matter too?

    I didn't say anything at first since Klu sounded quite snarky at first. Later on, they seemed to have bowed out wishing luck to us and they were still getting demonized for that.
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