Out of touch? PLL

[Heavenchild]

OP probably hasn't even completed all the casual content the game has available right now.

If so, I'd like to see their Ozma mount, all available relics from all expansions, all completed versions of the Elemental Eurekan armor, every single piece of the Bozjan sets upgraded, every triple triad card, maxed Trusts in every xpac, all deep dungeon mounts (can be done with team, don't need to do solo), every BLU spell and every challenge from Masked Carnival completed, every mount and gear set from Island Sanctuary, every rare animal from Island Sanctuary, all crafter/gatherers with at least 100K points in Ishgard Restoration, and I could keep going.

OP is asking for content they're probably never gonna finish, while not having finished a ton of stuff that's currently available. Either that, or I'll be damned if they can provide all the things I mentioned above.

What is it that you want then? A padded MSQ with a segment where you have to go kill 1000 A Hunt Marks to continue the story? An Alliance Raid that allows you to run it only once every month? Hildy quests being time gated to only one every week?? Do you people want all those BS retention mechanics shoved into XIV? Do you seriously think OP would even bother to complete any of those tasks??

This thread is insane.

What are you talking about? D:
Maybe you should stay with the topic instead of trying to attack me. :x

I have done almost everything I wanted to do. I have done Eureka and I have the ozma-mount. Btw getting Ozma is not casual content. Clearing deep dungeon completely is also not casual and I am not into that stuff. I also did Bozja (but had no interest in delu savage). I also have every relic and relic amour 'that I wanted'. I also have my Bluemage umbrella and Masked Carnival complete done. My Island Sanctuary is maxed out and I have everything from it. I am double Saint of the Firmament regarding to ishgard restoration and I am not interested in that mount for all with 100k. It's ugly imo. Because of boredom I even farmed the 1.000.000 points ocean fishing to get the creepy looking fish pet. But I won't talk more about everything I've done over all the years. That's pointless.

Why should someone collect everything possible, even if he/she does not like the reward? The game does not even give us the inventory space to store such an amount of items. I stopped collecting everything because of no space left. I have also lost parts of my interest in collecting more mounts because I have a lot and in game there are not much situations to effectively use them.

All I have said is, that this regular patch stuff does not count because it's the standard stuff that is done fast and not much to do. Custom delivery needs 5 weeks because of the time gatekeeping. And not because it's 5 weeks interesting content. ^^"
Same for tribes.

All people I met in game are very bored for a long time now. And after the LL it seems like that won't change.
It was a bad idea not to release field operations early. This would have been content for the majority of the playerbase to spend time with.

For everyone, who has all done what was on the to do list, that patchcontent is much too less to fill 4-5 month.

[Sotaris]

I have to agree with Heavenchild, that list had very little "casual" content in it. Most of it I would categorize into the mid-core segment. Not every casual player cares about a lot on that list.
I'd probably consider myself a casual these days, I used to hardcore raid in ARR-SB.

I don't really know what I want in terms of content cause there hasn't been a lot that appeals to me in the past expansions, probably why I play so limited now and focus on other games like FF11 and my backlog.

Getting more Hildi sounds nice, I enjoyed it for most part but it's not for everyone nor do I think it should be tied into a relic questline like it was in EW.

[PercibelTheren]

You're complaining that raiders somehow made the casual content more boring? The casual content became more boring because casuals put in zero effort. The raiders were the first to claim this and then lo and behold a few expansions later the casual opinion caught up and they realized that they want to actually play a fun game. Raiders are getting more content tailored to them because they actually give feedback, something casuals have not done. They just worshipped the developers and it took a shitty MSQ to change their opinion.

To be fair, when casual players try to give feedback, they invariably get shouted down with nonsense like "you don't do Expert/Savage/Ultimate, therefore you don't understand the game and should have no say in it." Like it or not, casuals are the bulk of EVERY playerbase. Without them, this game wouldn't do well. I think it's quite reasonable to try to keep them happy.

Personally, I'm a midcore player. I like Extremes, Bozja, some of the lower floor Savage fights, Unreal and deep dungeons. I'm getting a lot of stuff to do. Casual players are getting an ally raid they can clear in 30 minutes every week and then...what, exactly?

[PercibelTheren]

OP:


??????????

You can do MSQ in an hour, MAYBE two. Hildibrand isn't usually very long and it's also incredibly divisive. Not everyone likes it (I've been very vocal about my hatred of it, too). Ally raid is half an hour a week.

[PercibelTheren]

OP probably hasn't even completed all the casual content the game has available right now.

If so, I'd like to see their Ozma mount, all available relics from all expansions, all completed versions of the Elemental Eurekan armor, every single piece of the Bozjan sets upgraded, every triple triad card, maxed Trusts in every xpac, all deep dungeon mounts (can be done with team, don't need to do solo), every BLU spell and every challenge from Masked Carnival completed, every mount and gear set from Island Sanctuary, every rare animal from Island Sanctuary, all crafter/gatherers with at least 100K points in Ishgard Restoration, and I could keep going.

OP is asking for content they're probably never gonna finish, while not having finished a ton of stuff that's currently available. Either that, or I'll be damned if they can provide all the things I mentioned above.

What is it that you want then? A padded MSQ with a segment where you have to go kill 1000 A Hunt Marks to continue the story? An Alliance Raid that allows you to run it only once every month? Hildy quests being time gated to only one every week?? Do you people want all those BS retention mechanics shoved into XIV? Do you seriously think OP would even bother to complete any of those tasks??

This thread is insane.

Consider that not all casual content appeals to every player. Telling people to go do Eureka, really?

[Daralii]

I've seen this same casual vs hardcore arguing in at least two other games, and both hit a point after a few years where a lot of people that weren't doing the hardest content just quietly left because everything else had been lobotomized or made harder until they were pushed out.

[Asari5]

liking it or not isnt really the point in this discussion is it?

hildi is casual content like it or not.

on the other side i am a savage raider but i dont really like savage because of how the mechanics are designed.

and that chaotic alliance raid? (its only one fight btw so its still less than the casual normal alliance raid) you need 24 people for that. there are quite a few people who dont like that content because of that.

and byakko? we already had that fight its not new content.

i guess that means all this stuff doesnt count... we need more savage content, there isnt enough because what we get doesnt count (actually i want more midcore stuff, but this is what you people do)

we get a new extrem trial... but guess what? we already got the normal casual version of that. so its not the midies getting more, its rather like the midies getting it late.

i guess if we split story/quests from casual battle content its a whole other discussion. but i doubt we're ever gonna find a mutual opinion

i consider myself a midcore player and a casual raider... whatever that means since everyone seems to have another definition of that anyway

[AyumiCosplayGlam]

Its so sad honestly to see people still invalidating casuals opinions.
As someone who has been in MMO-s since 2007, i saw this happen many times.
Elitism kills MMO-s and basicly every multiplayer game in general, every single time.
The more the devs cater towards the hardcore aspect of a game, the more casuals will be dissatisfied and leave.
The game becomes unapproachable for new players and it becomes a closed ever shrinking group of the same people.

Have no illusions, the casuals are the lifeblood of every single online game, even the sweatiest games imaginable is kept alive by the casuals.
They are the ones who buy the cosmetics, not the world first raiders.
The minute they are gone, is the beginning of the end. No amount of Savage or Ultimate Raid is going to keep the game alive at that point.

Coincidentally, the ones who are trying to invalidate the casuals concerns almost everytime think that its just about skill.
What if said player just not interested in stressing themselves out? I have multiple server first kills in other mmo-s and have led weekly scoreboards whenever i wanted to participate.
Because of that, i know for a fact, that i can engage in any content any game throws at me if i want to and do well.
The thing is however, you will eventually reach a point in your gaming life when you realize you dont have to prove anything to anyone and you are not a noob for playing a mode that dosn't stress you out needlessly with insanely high damage or turning the enemies into "bullet sponges".
Figuring out a mechanic is fun regardless how much damage it does and how long does it take to make the boss even cast it.

I would argue anyone any time of the day, that an ultimate or savage raid would be just as fun to do, if the boss damage numbers are tuned down and not everything is borderline unrecoverable if you did it wrong.
The spectacle is the same, its still fun to try and do the mechanic as correctly as possible, but if not, who cares, you still learn, you still get have fun, get kills and loot and eventually you learn to do it flawlessly.

And the sad thing is that i bet some people are triggered by the mere thought of such a mode existing for hardcore fights, fearing that it invalidates their kills because they learned it the proper way or something.

[Stasya]

the casuals are the lifeblood of every single online game

If i had to recommend mmo for casual person, my choices would be WoW or just play single games.

I still remember poor healer i met in dungeon who asked party are there harder dungeons at max level? Lol. (yes i felt bad for them, but what i can do? lets wait for some casual content (not new type even) in 7.25-7.3)

[Carin-Eri]

You can do MSQ in an hour, MAYBE two. Hildibrand isn't usually very long and it's also incredibly divisive. Not everyone likes it (I've been very vocal about my hatred of it, too). Ally raid is half an hour a week.

Same. I was admittedly somewhat amused by it initially, but the same slapstick gags over and over and over again quickly started to annoy me - I completely fail to understand why I'm supposed to find Godawfulbert running around in his underpants for the 203rd time funny.

I also find it quite offensive that the story plays off Nashu having a stalker for laughs.