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  1. #9141
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    BaconBits's Avatar
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    Arya Diavolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    While overall job design sentiment is really low to the point where people aren't really defending it anymore lately, I'm going to point out that the larger part of the community still treats the healer role concerns as an absolute joke. You'll see someone condemning the VPR change while laughing at healers and telling them to just play something else. It's ridiculous.
    Probably because empathy isn't something the GCBTW is good at practicing lmao.

    Much easier to create lol-worthy spreadsheets, fake discord logs, and otherwise demean and denigrate people to earn brownie points with others that think like them than it is to actually engage in good faith discussion.
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  2. #9142
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    While overall job design sentiment is really low to the point where people aren't really defending it anymore lately, I'm going to point out that the larger part of the community still treats the healer role concerns as an absolute joke. You'll see someone condemning the VPR change while laughing at healers and telling them to just play something else. It's ridiculous.
    Welcome to playing healer/support in most multiplayer games. A huge chunk of the playerbase treats you like an NPC heal dispenser and doesn't care about what you think or whether you're having fun. But the moment you speak up and possibly even insinuate that their OP jobs/classes/characters are making your experience less enjoyable, they go into rage mode. Just look at all the salty tank mains who will tell you until the cows come home that their nigh-immortality isn't a problem.

    Personally, I took these people's advice. I haven't completely hanged up the healer hat because sometimes FC events need someone to heal and we take turns. Outside of that, I have switched to Physranged and I have found a renewed enjoyment in the game. I don't mind the long queues, there's plenty of stuff to do while waiting for them to pop. It's worth not having to mindlessly spam one button while staring at my other screen for 15 minutes.
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  3. #9143
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    So..... more than 900 pages and still no acknoledgement from SE.... While it took only 170 pages (if i remember) to acknoledge that they fumbled some parts of the graphical update.

    I think, we can conclude, that now we know their priority and that they don't give a damn about healer. :/

    I'll still playhealer, but i don't have high hope for the future of this role.
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  4. #9144
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    So..... more than 900 pages and still no acknoledgement from SE.... While it took only 170 pages (if i remember) to acknoledge that they fumbled some parts of the graphical update.

    I think, we can conclude, that now we know their priority and that they don't give a damn about healer. :/

    I'll still playhealer, but i don't have high hope for the future of this role.
    900 pages of this thread, before most of the healer feedback was centralised because people stopped caring there was also dozens of other 20+ page threads all going over different topics with zero acknowledgment

    But they will ruin viper when literally nobody can point to a thread where people complained about it so at this point I think they just do whatever they want then comb through the forums after the fact to find someone to use as a justification scapegoat
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  5. #9145
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    Aileen Pureheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    900 pages of this thread, before most of the healer feedback was centralised because people stopped caring there was also dozens of other 20+ page threads all going over different topics with zero acknowledgment

    But they will ruin viper when literally nobody can point to a thread where people complained about it so at this point I think they just do whatever they want then comb through the forums after the fact to find someone to use as a justification scapegoat
    That’s simple, healers are not a cool job, we don’t sell games, and will not be the poster character of an expansion either.

    Imagine the warrior of light movie character trying to look cool in a white mage outfit and healing. Very few can think of that without laughing.

    Healers are second row in priority, we are around because… because… umm… are we still needed to help people play anymore?

    I really don’t know anymore myself and that is as a 19,000 hour WHM, playing since 2.0.

    Maybe I’ll figure it out, but as things are now, I’m on break, how long, unsure. I’d rather play another game as 95% of my spells cast are DPS and that is not fun for me.
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  6. #9146
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    While overall job design sentiment is really low to the point where people aren't really defending it anymore lately, I'm going to point out that the larger part of the community still treats the healer role concerns as an absolute joke. You'll see someone condemning the VPR change while laughing at healers and telling them to just play something else. It's ridiculous.
    If someone complains about the Viper changes and how they don't like them, just tell them to go play something else. Maybe add a note that it's the advice healers get.
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  7. #9147
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    The job design team doesn't take feedback properly the fact DT kept the 2 minute CDs is evidence of this. For as much as people argued and disagreed pretty much everyone agreed that the 2 minute meta was awful and people loathed it.
    If they took actual feedback this would of been gone in DT.
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  8. #9148
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    Direct Breeze
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperia View Post
    That’s simple, healers are not a cool job, we don’t sell games, and will not be the poster character of an expansion either.

    Imagine the warrior of light movie character trying to look cool in a white mage outfit and healing. Very few can think of that without laughing.
    Actually, having a healer on the forefront would be cool. Even if DRK got butchered with Shb.. it was a cool marketing thing atleast?
    It's about time we get a healer on the cover of the damn game!
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  9. #9149
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doragan View Post
    Actually, having a healer on the forefront would be cool. Even if DRK got butchered with Shb.. it was a cool marketing thing atleast?
    It's about time we get a healer on the cover of the damn game!
    It, one day, they use a healer as poster job, i'm betting it will be sage.
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  10. #9150
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doragan View Post
    Actually, having a healer on the forefront would be cool. Even if DRK got butchered with Shb.. it was a cool marketing thing atleast?
    It's about time we get a healer on the cover of the damn game!
    8.0 should bring in two new Healers, and have the WoL be a healer in the trailer.

    Maybe that might motivate them to actually try to figure out how to get people interested in playing the role, instead of trying to tell them to go play Ultimate or telling people who don't want to play healer to just go play it.
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