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    CKNovel's Avatar
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    SMN/RDM that can raise 3 raises, useful in any content, which has been used in "no heal TOP" to invalidate a Healer mechanic, doesn't invalidate Healers.
    BRD that can cast an oGCD Esuna in any content for the extremely rare occasions where it's required, doesn't invalidate the Healers.
    WAR's BW that is only overpowered in dungeons against trash packs invalidate healers.

    You've vilified Bloodwhetting into a Boogeyman, convincing even yourself and obscuring your judgement.
    There's nothing more to add, I've already provided the data that shows the real problem. Even if I had a magic scroll of truth, you wouldn't acknowledge it.

    This is why I don't want take part to any more debate about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post

    I have a DRK main among my close friends, to paraphrase them "If I want to feel strong I play GNB or PLD. If I want to have FUN I play DRK. I only play WAR if I'm tired or lazy and want to be immortal with no skill." I don't think that's good tank design.
    I'm aware fun is subjective but that has to be a very big lie. I can't see anyone having fun just doing 1 2 3 for 50 seconds.
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    Last edited by CKNovel; 09-03-2024 at 03:04 AM.

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    Saphir Amariyo
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    Brynhildr
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    Thaumaturge Lv 40
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    I've already provided the data that shows the real problem.
    The real problem has been explained to you and you don't address it. Not acknowledging the issue doesn't make you right. Dungeons are frequently run and not everyone wants them to be trivial filler that you go through on autopilot. BW is far more annoying than caster raises or DPS with support tools. Of course all three can be problematic, but BW has been problematic enough to draw criticism. That fact is why we have this thread. I won't hold it against you that you have your own opinions, but those opinions will continue to be shot down if they are treated as fact.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    SMN/RDM that can raise 3 raises, useful in any content, which has been used in "no heal TOP" to invalidate a Healer mechanic, doesn't invalidate Healers.
    BRD that can cast an oGCD Esuna in any content for the extremely rare occasions where it's required, doesn't invalidate the Healers.
    The first has seen complaints. Just generally in threads the likes of "Casters being able to raise makes healers too dispensable", not one specifically named Bloodwhetting or about tanks in particular. Because sometimes topics divide.

    There's also a large difference between covering a single GCD per couple minutes in the rare fight that can frequently be covered by an Assize, Medica III, or Rapture that would be been required anyways... and making even oGCDs redundant in dungeons.

    Again, I've been with you entirely in maintaining flavor for Bloodwhetting, but there's a difference between a flavorful advantage and having up to 5x the output of counterparts, especially while having some 20-50% the output of others across the rest of the kit before that. That's not flavor. That's gluttony.
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