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  1. #101
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    PyurBlue's Avatar
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    Saphir Amariyo
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    Quote Originally Posted by dspguy View Post
    Technically, someone's experience could be negatively impacted if they player a healer and the tank forgets to hit tank stance. Or AFKs.
    That's right, and if that were to happen they can provide feedback on their negative experience.

    What a low bar you are suggesting.
    What bar is there to set? I think discussion on something like a game should be open.

    I suppose SE should address that - have tank stance always on. And if a player AFKs, the squadron/trust algorithm takes over and plays the job for them.
    If it can be addressed then ideally it should be, although the first solution to pop up isn't necessarily the best one. Discussion of some kind should take place to gather more ideas and then refine them.

    And it doesn't change the fact that if it was a problem... there would be much longer queues for tanks and DPS if healers didn't like their job to the point where they play a tank or DPS instead. But they aren't.
    I'm guessing this is going back to WAR? There is enough of a problem that people are talking about it and proposing solutions. WAR isn't going to make FF14 collapse, but it's making some of the design issues in the game obvious.

    On my checklist earlier:
    - When people quit parties because the tank is not a WAR
    - Healers don't queue
    - People can't clear dungeons

    Then there is a problem worth doing something about.
    Your opinion is valid, but it's not universal.
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  2. #102
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Where are you getting that there is 94 healers for every 100 tanks

    The last massive lucky brancho census said there was a whopping 53 healers for every 100 tanks

    That’s not remotely balanced, that’s an outright embarrassment
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  3. #103
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    Grainne Gothram
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    considering how long you have to sit in PF waiting for a healer to join and how quickly a tank joins, I don't believe there is 94 healers per 100 tanks.
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  4. #104
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    Crithril Orthorien
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    I don't think it matters, BW is only OP in 4 man trash pulls. That stuff dies so fast that nothing a tank or healer does matters.
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  5. #105
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    Carighan Maconar
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwodmots View Post
    I don't think it matters, BW is only OP in 4 man trash pulls. That stuff dies so fast that nothing a tank or healer does matters.
    Healerless current-tier savage clears have entered the chat...
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  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carighan View Post
    Healerless current-tier savage clears have entered the chat...
    I'll never understand people seeing these things as personal slights against their role of choice, as opposed to a praiseworthy achievement by players of incredible skill.
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  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnthota View Post
    I'll never understand people seeing these things as personal slights against their role of choice, as opposed to a praiseworthy achievement by players of incredible skill.
    I'm sorry, but... whynotboth.jpg
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  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carighan View Post
    I'm sorry, but... whynotboth.jpg
    Seems weird.
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  9. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnthota View Post
    I'll never understand people seeing these things as personal slights against their role of choice, as opposed to a praiseworthy achievement by players of incredible skill.
    I don’t consider a kill that had 4 failed mechanics and 2 deaths but is still competitive on speed kills simply because tanks do more damage to be a grand achievement
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  10. #110
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I don’t consider a kill that had 4 failed mechanics and 2 deaths but is still competitive on speed kills simply because tanks do more damage to be a grand achievement
    Putting down on other peoples achievements isn't very cash money of you. The Scions would be very disappointed.
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