Problem with toxic casual players on this forum

[TBerry]

If hardcore players actually drove the changes, then there is no way that the Job Design choice of catering to absolute bottom feeders would exist. Last I checked, a "hardcore" player can handle something as stupidly simple as positionals, and yet SE has to address the people complaining about them being "too hard" on Viper. Get out of here with that "hardcores are ruining the game" crap. It isn't, and hasn't ever been true.

If the "hardcore" crowd ran the game everything would be locked behind the endgame and only a few jobs would be viable.

[Nothv13]

If the "hardcore" crowd ran the game everything would be locked behind the endgame and only a few jobs would be viable.

Wild Star is a perfect example of this. Good MMO, but focused so much on the hardcore, it couldn't keep a healthy playerbase.

[TBerry]

Wild Star is a perfect example of this. Good MMO, but focused so much on the hardcore, it couldn't keep a healthy playerbase.

Yeah. The focus and rush to endgame will also have consequences for the community at large.

[SeriousPan]

Wild Star is a perfect example of this. Good MMO, but focused so much on the hardcore, it couldn't keep a healthy playerbase.

There's slightly more to it on that front. Players internationally had bad ping. Players in Asia/Oceania couldn't compete properly with their pings and at the time it was hard to reduce the latency. Since there was no way for them to be viably competitive they got immediately alienated from endgame, I played from Australia and while I ADORE Wild Star I know that its bad choices with servers killed us off pretty quick.

[Router]

If the "hardcore" crowd ran the game everything would be locked behind the endgame and only a few jobs would be viable.

What does this even mean? The only people who care about job viability ARE the hardcore players. Casuals aren't going to bat an eye if jobs are underperforming.

[Kaurhz]

If the "hardcore" crowd ran the game everything would be locked behind the endgame and only a few jobs would be viable.

If we got down to it... I would argue that few casual and hardcore players are game designers, so with this in mind, I wouldn't really trust either side of the coin to design or even be part responsible for the design or direction of a video game lol.

[yoshinoharu]

If the "hardcore" crowd ran the game everything would be locked behind the endgame and only a few jobs would be viable.

Though there are certainly loud, toxic individuals within the 'hardcore' crowd, I think this is a gross misrepresentation of the endgame community as a whole. Many of us actually want more midcore content and an actual progression of difficulty rather than just everything being hard all the time. All of us want all jobs to be viable all the time and don't enjoy being funneled into the 'meta jobs' for week 1. Ideally the people that you are talking about would like a nice, gradual ramp of difficulty where the game itself actually teaches you to become better and better as you approach endgame, and to be able to do that on a job that you like.

I really legitimately do miss the days when I could whole heartedly tell people of all skill levels 'play what you want, it's ultimately more about what you're comfortable with.' The changes of the game, ironically, have made clear choices on what's better and what's not. (Basically if everything's braindead and all jobs do the same thing, invariably there's going to be one that does it better.)

Though I can understand that you might have had some bad experiences with toxic 'hardcore players,' I ask that you refrain from dumping all of us in with them. They end up playing more in the 'beginner' brackets because we don't want them either >.>

[TBerry]

Though there are certainly loud, toxic individuals within the 'hardcore' crowd, I think this is a gross misrepresentation of the endgame community as a whole. Many of us actually want more midcore content and an actual progression of difficulty rather than just everything being hard all the time. All of us want all jobs to be viable all the time and don't enjoy being funneled into the 'meta jobs' for week 1. Ideally the people that you are talking about would like a nice, gradual ramp of difficulty where the game itself actually teaches you to become better and better as you approach endgame, and to be able to do that on a job that you like.

I really legitimately do miss the days when I could whole heartedly tell people of all skill levels 'play what you want, it's ultimately more about what you're comfortable with.' The changes of the game, ironically, have made clear choices on what's better and what's not. (Basically if everything's braindead and all jobs do the same thing, invariably there's going to be one that does it better.)

Though I can understand that you might have had some bad experiences with toxic 'hardcore players,' I ask that you refrain from dumping all of us in with them. They end up playing more in the 'beginner' brackets because we don't want them either >.>

My first "MMO" was a PvP one. I think that should say enough. I, like many others, were lured there by the concept.
Trust me, any alleged "gaslighting" here is child's play.