Problem with toxic casual players on this forum

[TheRealQuah]

I feel like since DT released there has been a huge problem on this forum of toxic casual players. The casual playerbase in this game tends to want the whole game catered to them and cause a fuss when they perceive something in the game that isn't. Examples include complaining ultimate content is taking too much dev time and axolotl mount needs savage completion among others.

Since DT these people are becoming out of control and we need to be careful what feedback the dev team are taking from this. If you read this forum then every duty would be tuned to very easy and the dungeons would be walking simulators.

You can spot these people easily by the amount of threads complaining that dungeons are too hard, story is bad, and complaining about the graphics update.

This part of the playerbase doesn't understand that Stormblood was the best expansion content and job balance wise, and the constant complaining at the time that it was bad is what led to the jobs being the way they are now. Stormblood job design was on the whole pretty peak, but the large amount of players complaining about the skill gap meant we have the job gameplay we do now. They complained about fantastic content like eureka and bozja and that's what led to the relics becoming a shop purchase.

You don't see much dissenting opinion on here because you get shot down and dog piled by the toxic casual brigade who will not accept that the majority of the playerbase is currently having a blast playing DT. Most of the people I know enjoyed the story and the ones that didn't enjoy it were able to give nuanced reasons why and not just "WUK LAMAT BAD LOL"

Please dont let this forum be representative of the playerbase as a whole. I hope yoshi p does not use this feedback to neuter the game even more,.

[Dovaah]

Story is bad though. And no, it's not because of Wuk Lamat.

Difficulty is great and the graphics update just require its own time to flourish.

You're making broad statements here heh

[KooriGraywolf]

Story is bad though. And no, it's not because of Wuk Lamat.

I think it's the other way around. The story is ok but it is brought down by Wuk Lamat, specifically the insane amount of focus and screentime, and the excessive fixation on "peace and understanding".

I agree, other aspects of the expansion are good, like dungeons, fights, zones, and music.

[Dovaah]

I think it's the other way around. The story is ok but it is brought down by Wuk Lamat, specifically the insane amount of focus and screentime, and the excessive fixation on "peace and understanding".

I agree, other aspects of the expansion are good, like dungeons, fights, zones, and music.

I don't think its only Wuk Lamat that brings the story down. But in retrospect, a lot of characters are shallow, their motivations either don't make sense or are just used to advance the plot.
They could have been way better if the writers actually fleshed them out a little.

Zoraal Ja, Koana, the Scions, Bakool Ja Ja so on and so forth.

Bakool Ja Ja for example lacks crucial development, his actions are barely acknowledged after the cenote revelations and it was a total 180 from how he was acting beforehand.

A single line of him mentioning that he wants to please his parents and then nothing till he gets beaten is not enough.

So yes, Wuk Lamat's screentime is a problem but not only. There are a lot of plot holes and discarded elements that would be crucial for this story to be good.

[Striker44]

Story is bad though.

You're making broad statements here heh

Seeing these two sentences in the same post is amusing.

No, the story is not "bad." It's not "good," either. Can we please stop conflating our own personal opinions with objective facts. People complaining about the story would get taken much more seriously if they could both do this and stop resorting to absurd hyperbole.

[AvoSturmfaust]

Thats the Issue i saw so far too, the Toxic Casuals want to play the Game with one Hand and closed Eyes and just spamming 1 1 1 1 1 1, if they cant do it the complain weave beginns until SE nerfs everything to the ground.

I got a big advice for these kind of player, you dont like Raids? You think they are too hard? Dont play em, Ex Trials too hard? Dont play em, let other people have fun too, its not only about you and your need to get everything on the easiest mode ever.

[Kuroka]

I got a big advice for these kind of player, you dont like Raids? You think they are too hard? Dont play em, Ex Trials too hard? Dont play em, let other people have fun too, its not only about you and your need to get everything on the easiest mode ever.

Id rather suggest em to LEAVE THE GAME, mostly they are a smal vocal minority that its detrimental for the games health...

[aiqa]

I dont see how (dis)liking the story is in any way connected to being casual or not.
I dont see how (dis)liking the (part of the) graphic update is in any way connected to being casual or not.
I am 100% sure job and role balance has some glaring issues, I don't see how pointing those out is toxic.
And if casual players are toxic for complaining about the difficulty of casual content not matching their skill level.... the higher skilled players have been doing the same for years.

From what I see all points in the OP are just differences of opinion. I guess it's normal these days, for certain groups of people, to call everyone that has a different opinion "toxic".

[PercibelTheren]

I'm sorry but what does being a casual have to do with someone's opinion on DT's story? Anecdotal evidence against your anecdotal evidence: my FC basically turned to a support group for 2 weeks when everyone was going through the MSQ. Everyone's opinions range from "that was meh" to "that was really bad". And no, for most people it isn't just "Wuk Lamat bad".