You pull you tank question.

[Ryaduera]

(I'm not reading all 44 pages of this, just going to talk about the subject with no regard for the above)

No matter the game, I play tanks, and it's the same everywhere. Someone that didn't pick a tank role decides they need to rush me in ways that I actually cannot keep up with, but am expected to. I remember I was with a duo que, the healer and a ninja. The ninja jumped forward into a group, and being a ninja, they were fast, and then pulled them to a second group and jumped to a third group yet again. Obviously, clank clank here comes the tank, I try to get there on time. Ninja dies, I say "Please refrain from going faster than I can, even with sprint I can't keep up. I do wall to wall pulls, you don't need to rush this." Regardless of context, this is how I handle it. I didn't like that, but I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume you were just excited or something. This is how it should be handled... But sometimes it goes like this dungeon.

No comment. Okay, maybe they are using controller and don't want to type or something. Kill the boss. Ninja does the same thing again, I remove tank stance, you were warned. Ninja dies, but I do wall to wall pulls anyway. Healer says I need to be faster and it's greifing that I remove tank stance (Maybe it is, but it's griefing behave like that after I politely ask them not to). I am a Paladin, notably not a ninja, and cannot keep up as they are dashing forward. I say I can't, Ninja needs to stop dashing into things they clearly can't handle or leave and gear a tank. No comment. I mention I will not be saving them on the third strike.

Pull number three, Ninja does it again. I do not sprint. Healer is WHM, stuns the group while Ninja does damage. I do nothing, do not aggro anything, do not enter combat at all. I stand back. Healer uses Rescue. It doesn't work because I haven't hit anything. The RDM with us has also been super quiet, but seems to be on my side and is doing nothing, probably reading the room and waiting for me. Ninja dies, healer brings them to me, but I still don't enter combat, just dodge the attacks until healer is too close to death, then with tank stance off, finally AoE. Healer dies, tank stance on, and by virtue of being a PLD I tank the pull without a healer and the RDM starts to AoE with me. Healer cusses me out and leaves the dungeon, ninja follows suit.

So honestly, even though I don't say YPYT until you've been warned, when stuff like this happens, I can totally see a 0 tolerance policy being adopted for it. You just get sick of it because this stuff happens all the time. Especially with DPS players, they want things to go FAST FAST FAST with no regard for the other players in their game. It ruins our experience and I don't feel bad for your experience being ruined if you want to rush casual players. I don't even pull slow, I time my sprint for 2-5 seconds before entering combat to maximize my sprint distance and use my dashes straight into the enemies to get them as fast as possible. At that point it's not even patience, it's just disrespectful.

Besides, unless your tank is a Dark Knight, you're optional anyway! (A joke, but also kinda not really)

[koko-on-da-forumz]

Paladins don't have sprint or a gap closer?

TIL.

[Ryaduera]

Paladins don't have sprint or a gap closer?

TIL.

I don't even pull slow, I time my sprint for 2-5 seconds before entering combat to maximize my sprint distance and use my dashes straight into the enemies to get them as fast as possible. At that point it's not even patience, it's just disrespectful.

Lalafels still haven't finished reading class? TIL

[Arrius]

Paladins don't have sprint or a gap closer?

TIL.

Not until Level 74, which is a very odd placement for a tank gap closer. Especially since the other ones get theirs in the middle 50's/early 60's.

When it comes to AoE rotations and gap closers they really need to streamline the access to them on all tank jobs, just like they did with the tank stance.

[Bhearil]

(I'm not reading all 44 pages of this, just going to talk about the subject with no regard for the above)

No matter the game, I play tanks, and it's the same everywhere. Someone that didn't pick a tank role decides they need to rush me in ways that I actually cannot keep up with, but am expected to. I remember I was with a duo que, the healer and a ninja. The ninja jumped forward into a group, and being a ninja, they were fast, and then pulled them to a second group and jumped to a third group yet again. Obviously, clank clank here comes the tank, I try to get there on time. Ninja dies, I say "Please refrain from going faster than I can, even with sprint I can't keep up. I do wall to wall pulls, you don't need to rush this." Regardless of context, this is how I handle it. I didn't like that, but I will give the benefit of the doubt and assume you were just excited or something. This is how it should be handled... But sometimes it goes like this dungeon.

No comment. Okay, maybe they are using controller and don't want to type or something. Kill the boss. Ninja does the same thing again, I remove tank stance, you were warned. Ninja dies, but I do wall to wall pulls anyway. Healer says I need to be faster and it's greifing that I remove tank stance (Maybe it is, but it's griefing behave like that after I politely ask them not to). I am a Paladin, notably not a ninja, and cannot keep up as they are dashing forward. I say I can't, Ninja needs to stop dashing into things they clearly can't handle or leave and gear a tank. No comment. I mention I will not be saving them on the third strike.

Pull number three, Ninja does it again. I do not sprint. Healer is WHM, stuns the group while Ninja does damage. I do nothing, do not aggro anything, do not enter combat at all. I stand back. Healer uses Rescue. It doesn't work because I haven't hit anything. The RDM with us has also been super quiet, but seems to be on my side and is doing nothing, probably reading the room and waiting for me. Ninja dies, healer brings them to me, but I still don't enter combat, just dodge the attacks until healer is too close to death, then with tank stance off, finally AoE. Healer dies, tank stance on, and by virtue of being a WAR I tank the pull without a healer and the RDM starts to AoE with me. Healer cusses me out and leaves the dungeon, ninja follows suit.

So honestly, even though I don't say YPYT until you've been warned, when stuff like this happens, I can totally see a 0 tolerance policy being adopted for it. You just get sick of it because this stuff happens all the time. Especially with DPS players, they want things to go FAST FAST FAST with no regard for the other players in their game. It ruins our experience and I don't feel bad for your experience being ruined if you want to rush casual players. I don't even pull slow, I time my sprint for 2-5 seconds before entering combat to maximize my sprint distance and use my dashes straight into the enemies to get them as fast as possible. At that point it's not even patience, it's just disrespectful.

Besides, unless your tank is a Dark Knight, you're optional anyway! (A joke, but also kinda not really)

This is exactly the issue, is not that generally speaking tanks are fond of YPYT mentality its more of being a consecuence of players acting like jerks over and over until the tank loses their patience and decides to show them that actions carry consecuences and no one is here to contantly clean their messes despite repeated warnings

[ThorneDynasty]

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Okay, you are a slow as a ball shit tank.

Literally what is the harm with the Ninja going ahead? You are doing the exact same thing you'd do normally when you finally make it to the mob group, hitting your AOE, the Ninja has even grouped them up nicely for you. Do the same thing you do always. They've done no damage to anything except your fragile ego.

The only one being an asshole for zero reason is you.