You pull you tank question.

[Kaurhz]

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All that just to not bother structuring into paragraphs and to only be redirected to this:

Honestly...? Nobody cares [Redacted]...

Like, good for you?

The Pteranodon though? Well good for you I suppose, better late than never LOL, had it for nearly 2 years and all, but there we go. It's really a shame that for all of your project work you have severely missed the point. The point was the fact you're actually going out of your way to give some weight to your adequacy to a forum user, and this is only strengthened by this inane wall of text.

But it's nice that you think I am a Limsa AFK'er. I wouldn't take about derailing the thread if I were you, when you are the one responsible for this LOL

[VoidsentStatus]

The point was the fact you're actually going out of your way to give some weight to your adequacy to a forum user, and this is only strengthened by this inane wall of text.

But it's nice that you think I am a Limsa AFK'er. I wouldn't take about derailing the thread if I were you, when you are the one responsible for this LOL

This section isn't toxic, so I can respond to this part.

1) Yes. The last achievement a crafter/gatherer would care about other than relics they don't use or fishing which I don't consider as grindy. Been 2 weeks of work away for over a year, but it's like: -farm 400-500k/hr for 2 weeks or farm 5-10+mil/hr inside of bozja. And bozja's been winning due to housing I needed for future projects along with ranked pvp.

2) Because I made an assumption that people on the forums were normal, and after credibility and knowledge about a subject are verified, slander goes away and you actually get to have a productive discussion. This forum has actually has been worse than my old game. At least they could admit when they were wrong and move forward from there instead of 180'ing to "noone cares" after they get proven wrong. At least I tried xDD

3) If you go back 20 pages, this actually started because of a tank that was (now I know this) knowingly stating blatantly false information about tank pulls and mitigation, that got called out for it, and then shifted to personal insults. And a second set of personal insults coming from someone that stated endgame is ARR, this game has a good tutorial, and apparently it's the player's fault for not having the knowledge they should at a given job level despite the systems the devs put in the game that made it that way, and that it was fair game to criticize and disrespect the desired gameplay of new people because they didn't level a job the way this individual wanted them to. This is the reason I don't like people coming in halfway into arguments.

[Kaurhz]

This section isn't toxic, so I can respond to this part.

1) Yes. The last achievement a crafter/gatherer would care about other than relics they don't use or fishing which I don't consider as grindy. Been 2 weeks of work away for over a year, but it's like: -farm 400-500k/hr for 2 weeks or farm 5-10+mil/hr inside of bozja. And bozja's been winning due to housing I needed for future projects along with ranked pvp.

2) Because I made an assumption that people on the forums were normal, and after credibility and knowledge about a subject are verified, slander goes away and you actually get to have a productive discussion. This forum has actually has been worse than my old game. At least they could admit when they were wrong and move forward from there instead of 180'ing to "noone cares" after they get proven wrong. At least I tried xDD

3) If you go back 20 pages, this actually started because of a tank that was (now I know this) knowingly stating blatantly false information about tank pulls and mitigation, that got called out for it, and then shifted to personal insults. And a second set of personal insults coming from someone that stated endgame is ARR, this game has a good tutorial, and apparently it's the player's fault for not having the knowledge they should at a given job level despite the systems the devs put in the game that made it that way, and that it was fair game to criticize and disrespect the desired gameplay of new people because they didn't level a job the way this individual wanted them to. This is the reason I don't like people coming in halfway into arguments.

So much for "Not entertaining beyond that initial post". I actually meant no disrespect in my initial post yet you elected to take hostilities with it, just as one accused you of being sub-par for a YPYT mentality - You elected to do the self-same thing with baselessly attempting to accuse me of being a Limsa AFK'er as if this is meant in a derogatory manner, so before accusing others of being toxic, I would highly recommend you take a second read at what you yourself are also posting. But let me respond regardless..


1) Fishing I would actual put on-par with the Pteranodon. The Pteranodon lost and continues to have dimishing prestige due to the fact you can now simply macro the recipes within a single button, and due to the increasing amount of yield from Diadem due to hitting all necessary breakpoints, in addition to the Gatherer's Boon rework. Is it still a grind? Sure. But it's a shadow of its former self. Fishing on the other hand has a fairly constant amount of prestige behind it, due to the fish never being guaranteed catches, regardless of your gathering. Personally, just doing to have to disagree with it being the last achievement a crafter/gatherer would care about. - If Space Exploration is indicative of being like Ishgard Restoration then it is likely going to be second fiddle to whatever else they elect to introduce.

2) People here are normal, which is precisely why they don't really care if you publish a video. If you have credibility, then it will speak for itself, with both your mentality and knowledge. Posting videos, and lengthy walls of text of alleged achievements comes across as pandering, and people generally have better things to do with their time. The reason nobody cares is because you aren't really doing it in earnest. Now, if you wanted to have a valid discussion around a finding you had with, say, crafting or gathering or even PvP for that matter, then people would be inclined to care. But why should I personally care for a Pteranodon, or a double Saint of Firmament (Which I also have, and don't find impressive, and yes I scored 500K+ on the first ranked season for it) - When the intent comes across as "Hey, I'm flexing on you, because I think I am superior" - This is why people don't care, lol.

3) Even if you weren't responsible, you were very much contributory. I mean this politely, but you essentially went on a several sentence paragraph, listing achievements as though it's mean to be imposing or remotely intimidating for that matter.

[VoidsentStatus]

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1) missed this: "unless you feel like adding to the toxicity yourself. By all means, you can take that option" That was a conditional for entertainment.

2) I elected to take hostilities because of the tone. If you didn't mean the tone that came across, let me give an example that might've been closer to something you may have meant?

"With all due respect, why are you trying to convince random forum users that you're adequate at the game? I don't think it's not going to have the intended effect. As for achievements, why do you find these important for being stated?"

The way you worded things came across as already knowing my intentions and the "noone cares" spam and "good for you" is the same response as the toxic people I was responding to, so I assumed you were in that camp. Don't have condescending and dismissive vocabulary if you don't want to offend people and come off that way. I respond differently to accusatory statements over inquisitive one's or even sarcastic is technically fine and a lighter tone.

3) You're about to see one reason I often simplify my argumentation to what /should/ be blatantly obvious situations. But, here.

An explanation of the "flexing" (2pages) : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...f=true&sd=true

The original message I debated writing that looped back into the thread that was simplified that was to accompany the dungeon run (1page) : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...f=true&sd=true

Tank Role Importance Discussion getting into mentor philosophy, a tad bit of job kit analysis, along with raid leadership traits and patterns that become problematic for tanks because of community interactions inside of dungeons such as YPYT controversy (3pages) : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...f=true&sd=true

4) 100% contributory. Because Option 1) I ignore this person and they continue to spam insults toward other tanks in the thread and spread misinformation. or 2) I find a crack in their personality and they become so unhinged and toxic that they become ignored. If I become ignored as well *shrugs* I got other things I do lol Worst case scenario, I wait until a new person comes into the discussion and people can see my personality and thoughts when I'm not provoked into being toxic and shifting how I word things on purpose. Some people will see the underlying performance immediately and know the bits of the truth I actually care about, and be able to separate it from the inflamatory bits added in.