You pull you tank question.

[noelregnard]

Oh yeah? How confident in that statement are you? Care to wager 25mil that if you spend 9 hours running leveling roullette while rainbowing tank jobs, that you can run the exact same mitigation rotation regardless of the dungeon and finish with 0 avoidable deaths at the end of the day?

LMAO this is hysterical. I've leveled all tanks to cap multiple times, on multiple characters. I've done savage on multiple tanks. I've done countless dungeon runs as different tanks with no healer. I have nothing to prove to you. If tanking is too complicated for you then I can only say skill issue ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[VoidsentStatus]

LMAO this is hysterical. I've leveled all tanks to cap multiple times, on multiple characters. I've done savage on multiple tanks. I've done countless dungeon runs as different tanks with no healer. I have nothing to prove to you. If tanking is too complicated for you then I can only say skill issue ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ah, the savage and multi-ranker that doesn't want a free 25Mil. Sounds like talking out of your butt on the forums and don't want to prove what you're preaching. Because you know 1 bad healer or 1 bad set of dps would you have laid out while I snatched your wallet. Even Xenosys says when he brain off's as tank, he dies in pug runs and then adjusts afterward and he's a rank 1 tank.

[noelregnard]

Ah, the savage and multi-ranker that doesn't want a free 25Mil. Sounds like talking out of your butt on the forums and don't want to prove what you're preaching. Because you know 1 bad healer or 1 bad set of dps would you have laid out while I snatched your wallet.

Ah yes sure let's go with that. Imagine having different party members somehow change the amount of mitigation buttons you have on tank lmao

[VoidsentStatus]

Ah yes sure let's go with that. Imagine having different party members somehow change the amount of mitigation buttons you have on tank lmao

Ah, thanks for proving my point. The fact you consider mitigation rotating only involving a set of amount of buttons proves my point. You're just a trust NPC. You don't play with the order of your mitigation, the strength of the adds damage and survival time, or the timing between them as a consideration in gameplay. You just braindead 1-2-3 and deal with the consequences afterward.

[BokoToloko]

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1) The only reasons for not using mitigations in early contents are either because you've been doing single pulls and, thus, facing no stress at all. Which reinforces the point of forcing bigger pulls because, as you literally put it, they don't learn to use mitigations until they are put under the pressure to do so.

2) You do realize both scenarios happened because of the player decision, right? It's the DRK who decided to level with PvP and only learn to PvE later completely oblivious on how the job works. Same for the GNB and, doubly so for the MSQ skipper. You decide to go in blind and clueless, you're the one who has to deal with the consequences because what happens for your ignorance is your own responsibility. And the GNB literally have a scenario to literally give you the ropes on how the job works.

3) Endgame starts at level 50. Because that was the first endgame there was and that's where you can start unlocking raids and EX trials. That's half the current level. And, even before 50, you get plenty of dungeons where to learn to play your class and, barring Stone Vigil or Aurum Vale, they're all EASY. And plenty of chances to fail, receive advice and improve come with those dungeons.

4) No, this is an issue you and a few other spoiled players have. Because what I say it's not just what I want to do but also the consensus among players on how things are done. And this something I do only because I've been learning the very beginning of my FFXIV, when I played with only 10 fps during ARR (when ping was horrible) while facing visual and auditive impairment (and still facing it). So you can spare jme the "Ooooh you don't know everyone's circumstances" because, big news, I do have my own. And people who do like me also do. So... yeah. Being a newcomer never excuses you from learning the knowhow. NEVER. W2W are the norm. Not the preference. And the sooner anyone learns that, the better for everyone including the newcomer. No matter how many "periods" you try to put on it.

Ah, thanks for proving my point. The fact you consider mitigation rotating only involving a set of amount of buttons proves my point. You're just a trust NPC. You don't play with the order of your mitigation, the strength of the adds damage and survival time, or the timing between them as a consideration in gameplay. You just braindead 1-2-3 and deal with the consequences afterward.

The only content where you 100% have to pay attention at all instances to the order of the mitigations in order not to wipe a party is Savage during early prog and Ultimate. And the magnitude of the damages and consequences are night and day compared to a leveling dungeons because, there, an unmitigated tankbuster WILL kill you and set a whole run back to the very start. They are completely different universes. So, other than timing the CD (which boils down to pretty much using them when you've got the whole pull together) none of the things you mention matters at all in dungeons. So spare us the fluff because any reasonable tank knows leveling dungeons are the furthest from being hard to tank, other that Stone Vigil or Aurum Vales, and both cases have nothing to do with tank or healer individual performances.

[VoidsentStatus]

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1) I like how I talk about MSQ and you bring up early multiplayer content, and then ramble about something I didn't even say.

2) It is player decision, but guess what? It was Square Enix who even made that choice to allow it. It's a dev approved player decision. GNB and DRK could just as easily start at level 1 and not get experience at all from PvP. And there is no solo scenario/instance in the game that forces you to use the entire kit of your job. "Give you the ropes on how the job works" is not a thing. You literally basic 1-2-3 through everything. You have free HoT's given to you. And you have a very easy button in most situations. Even the Hall of Novice is /optional/ content. The game never forces you to learn anything, which is why veteran players had an issue with the tutorial system in this game because nowhere does it teach foundational strategies and ideologies past a Pre-K level.

3) "Endgame starts at level 50" You mean the content that has 1/3rd of the mechanics of the game introduced by that point? Are we talking about the Ultimate that has a challenge for, what was it, 50-100+ deaths while still clearing? We're talking about the content that dropped in difficulty so hard they had to invent Unreal to bring back even relevance of not being a braindead cakewalk? We're talking about Moogles and other instances they nerfed for people to be able to finish it easily, completely changing mechanics inside of instances, most jobs don't even have their core finished out kit wise, and you still consider that end game?

4) If they were the norm and not the preference, we wouldn't have had an entire expansion the devs removed wall to wall pulls because they hated the community pushing that direction.

[noelregnard]

Ah, thanks for proving my point. The fact you consider mitigation rotating only involving a set of amount of buttons proves my point. You're just a trust NPC. You don't play with the order of your mitigation, the strength of the adds damage and survival time, or the timing between them as a consideration in gameplay. You just braindead 1-2-3 and deal with the consequences afterward.

Imagine thinking the order of mitigation buttons pressed matters in dungeons ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[VoidsentStatus]

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And the magnitude of the damages and consequences are night and day

Your rotation when you're a WAR with raw intuition that can full health you on adds, is night and day compared to other tanks.
Your rotation as a DRK where you have an entire physical damage mitigation missing inside of your kit, is night and day compared to other tanks.
When certain jobs you queue with only have single target and don't have aoe in their kit yet, it is night and day compared to other runs.
When you don't have a WHM Cure 2 healing you for 60% of your health in 1 cast anymore, it is night and day compared to other runs.
I'm not fixing to play this game and list out every night and day in dungeon runs that happens.

Like I said. If a Rank 1 tank, who has cleared every ultimate says he can't braindead rotate mitigation in pugs without dying, I'm not having this talk with randoms on the forums if you're not putting money up.

[VoidsentStatus]

Imagine thinking the order of mitigation buttons pressed matters in dungeons ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Go run Stone Vigil as a GNB with a sprout WHM using Cure 1 and do the first wall to wall pull with Reprisal first, and then Arm's Length and come back to me.

[noelregnard]

Your rotation when you're a WAR with raw intuition that can full health you on adds, is night and day compared to other tanks.
Your rotation as a DRK where you have an entire physical damage mitigation missing inside of your kit, is night and day compared to other tanks.
When certain jobs you queue with only have single target and don't have aoe in their kit yet, it is night and day compared to other runs.
When you don't have a WHM Cure 2 healing you for 60% of your health in 1 cast anymore, it is night and day compared to other runs.
I'm not fixing to play this game and list out every night and day in dungeon runs that happens.

Like I said. If a Rank 1 tank, who has cleared every ultimate says he can't braindead rotate mitigation in pugs without dying, I'm not having this talk with randoms on the forums if you're not putting money up.

Damn I guess all of my friends who play tanks and I are better than this self-proclaimed rank 1 tank!