Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Voidmage]

She didnt touch me, i rather dont care about her, i just think its funny to see how a good amount people here behave like the life depends on the story. Yea its not a great Story thats something i can accept but in the end its hard to build something great like the previous story was when people only complain about everything, just get used to wuk lamat, get used to the slow boring story beginning and wait maybe the post expansion story will be better and goes in the right direction and pls square get finally rid of the twin and this weird graha tia

Or it could be that most players of ff14 give the story the most importance and are angry if that fails.

I also don‘t get the slow beginning stuff.
There was none. The story escalated at the middle. The only new beginning was the new continent and the Key. The rest is just a self contained story.

People complain because the writing is horrible and because Wuk Lamat could have a big sign on the head saying „I am Dawntrail“.
She more or less IS the story.

No one would have minded a new beginning in the form of ARR and no one expected EW stakes.

What we wanted was ARR stakes and EW level of writing.

Instead they went for ARR writing and EW stakes with a new WoL more or less.

I expect them to actually hold a certain level of quality writing instead of regressing.
New writers is not an apology for a big company like SE.

[Midare]

Instead they went for ARR writing and EW stakes with a new WoL more or less.

I must be part of the minority here, but I didn't think ARR writing was bad. Slow, yes, the pacing was abysmal and it dragged on at points, but it wasn't bad.

I already thought that way before Dawntrail, but Wut Lmao made me appreciate ARR all the more.

[Alchemii]

But hey, we have an easy way to troll reddit now. Just say you wanted another character to be the main focus of the plot instead of Wuk(awasteofspace) and they'll lose their minds.

[SamuraiMiqo]

I went into this expansion liking Wuk Lamat. By the end of the MSQ, I keep desperately hoping she's not going to end up joining the Scions or something somehow, since she's ran rampant over everything else in this expansion so far. Sick of seeing her, sick of hearing her voice. Go away, house cat.

Unfortunately, this ended up being me as well. I liked her in the first half the expansion..but by the second half I just wanted the story to focus on Erenville and Krile. Once I did the final trial, I was angry at how she was shoehorned into it.

[Turtledeluxe]

The problem is that Wuk Lamat didn't feel like a "secondary protagonist". That role fell on the WoL, and on top of that it makes other more important character arcs like Krile's and Erenville's be like side quest fodder. That's what's making people get tired of the bad things that this character has (including the inconsistencies, since she's the biggest offender by a long mile), and it effectively ruins the whole expansion. An expansion that, despite not being perfect at all, would had been okay-ish without her constantly being pushed to the focus, since that would had meant that other characters and their stories would had been able to get more screen time. I'm not saying that that would had guaranteed that the story was good, but that not being there DID make the story worse.

No one can deny that, since it's obvious what the common denominator (and not just a symptom) of almost all the problems in the story is. People are right to voice their discontent over it, and you're on your right to just ignore the "whining" and your self-perceived real life issues if you don't like it. At least if that's your whole argument to defend that Wuk Lamat's writing is not at the very core of the problem. We can't fix what's wrong if we don't point what exactly is wrong, and you can't blame people's feedback on the writers not listening.

It would not be okay Ish. It would be the lowest rated and worst expansion as it is currently.

In my personal opinion, it's also cringe the way people talk about the character as though she is real. She is not. She is a poorly written character amongst many other poorly written things in DT. Maybe that's what people are trying to say in some of the rants I've seen.

I'm also not calling for anyone to stop talking. I am telling you that devs tend to interpret feedback a certain way and if what they garner from the expansion is "I hate Wuk Lamat" then we just won't see her again. The problem is, the odds you would see her again anyway are 0.005%. You can still continue to hate on a character that is not real, be my guest.

I would also note you're not even being objective. When you say "Wuk Lamat is the most inconsistent." Based on what metric? Every Scion we know acts out of character at some point and even new ones, like Bakool ja ja become unrecognizable once converted from cartoonist evil to good.

You are positing things like "if wuk lamat didn't exist, Krile's story would be well written." That is a contradiction considering this writer wrote this MSQ. They wrote Wuk Lamat. A lot of these arguments are copium.

[ZephyrMenodora]

It would not be okay Ish. It would be the lowest rated and worst expansion as it is currently.

In my personal opinion, it's also cringe the way people talk about the character as though she is real. She is not. She is a poorly written character amongst many other poorly written things in DT. Maybe that's what people are trying to say in some of the rants I've seen.

I'm also not calling for anyone to stop talking. I am telling you that devs tend to interpret feedback a certain way and if what they garner from the expansion is "I hate Wuk Lamat" then we just won't see her again. The problem is, the odds you would see her again anyway are 0.005%. You can still continue to hate on a character that is not real, be my guest.

I would also note you're not even being objective. When you say "Wuk Lamat is the most inconsistent." Based on what metric? Every Scion we know acts out of character at some point and even new ones, like Bakool ja ja become unrecognizable once converted from cartoonist evil to good.

You are positing things like "if wuk lamat didn't exist, Krile's story would be well written." That is a contradiction considering this writer wrote this MSQ. They wrote Wuk Lamat. A lot of these arguments are copium.

I have no idea why you harp so much on fictional characters not being real. It's cringe. We know they are fictional characters, written by writers. No one thinks she's a real person. People criticize fictional characters, there are entire college courses on literary criticism, there are entire academic books on various fictional characters in Shakespeare plays. Fictional characters not being real is a given.

You can like or be fine with a writers work in some areas and have specific problem areas. I like Koana and Sphene, for example. But Wuk is another story. She was written so terribly, acted by a bad voice actor, and thrown in our faces for the entire MSQ we are sending the message we don't want to see this character again, or anyone else with her archetype or approach. I don't even want them to attempt writing more of her to try to redeem how utterly irritating she was to me.

Since I feel you need someone to state the obvious, this of course is all my opinion.

[Turtledeluxe]

I have no idea why you harp so much on fictional characters not being real. It's cringe. We know they are fictional characters, written by writers. No one thinks she's a real person. People criticize fictional characters, there are entire college courses on literary criticism, there are entire academic books on various fictional characters in Shakespeare plays. Fictional characters not being real is a given.

You can like or be fine with a writers work in some areas and have specific problem areas. I like Koana and Sphene, for example. But Wuk is another story. She was written so terribly, acted by a bad voice actor, and thrown in our faces for the entire MSQ we are sending the message we don't want to see this character again, or anyone else with her archetype or approach. I don't even want them to attempt writing more of her to try to redeem how utterly irritating she was to me.

Since I feel you need someone to state the obvious, this of course is all my opinion.

I have no idea why you call it harping. It's just a fact. Wuk Lamat isn't real. She can't "single handedly ruin a story". You can phrase things that way, and many have in this thread and others, it just means I personally perceive it as hate vs criticism.

Let me use an example. People hated Lyse. Writers certainly got that feedback right? Yet they created a new character who is like 2x her presence and a polar opposite disposition. When you tell writers you hate a character, it's less effective than just saying please don't write protagonists who replace the WoL in the story. Not for half a story, a full story or at all. I am not telling anyone to stop giving feedback. I am telling you that vitriol aimed at a character probably won't get you what you want.

Another thing I would say is that it's funny you brought up the VA because of course you did.

Objectively, Wuk Lamat being "shoved in your face"-- that's a writing issue. It's not a character issue. If you don't want any character playing that kind of role in the story, it has nothing to do with Wuk Lamat.

Also you can like part of the writing. The problem is saying "Without Wuk Lamat Kriles story would be good". You literally don't know that. You can say it, I'm just saying it's not true.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I have no idea why you call it harping. It's just a fact. Wuk Lamat isn't real. She can't "single handedly ruin a story". You can phrase things that way, and many have in this thread and others, it just means I personally perceive it as hate vs criticism.

Let me use an example. People hated Lyse. Writers certainly got that feedback right? Yet they created a new character who is like 2x her presence and a polar opposite disposition. When you tell writers you hate a character, it's less effective than just saying please don't write protagonists who replace the WoL in the story. Not for half a story, a full story or at all. I am not telling anyone to stop giving feedback. I am telling you that vitriol aimed at a character probably won't get you what you want.

Another thing I would say is that it's funny you brought up the VA because of course you did.

Objectively, Wuk Lamat being "shoved in your face"-- that's a writing issue. It's not a character issue. If you don't want any character playing that kind of role in the story, it has nothing to do with Wuk Lamat.

You mentioned 'Wuk Lamat isn't real" several times now, I recall just shaking my head as I have no idea what kind of point you think you are making with this, and commented as I saw you write this yet again. It's a pointless argument about semantics. People discuss characters, and don't need to preface every comment about a character with "the writers of the character". It's not how people discuss fiction - like I said, it's a given that a fictional character has a writer/designer behind the scenes.

Hatred of a character comes from the character's writing, design, and acting. All three are an unfortunate hurricane of terrible when it comes to Wuk Lamat - again in case it's not obvious - in my opinion. An improvement on any of the three would have helped. Here, for me, it's terrible from all directions. I mentioned the actors because FFXIV primary characters have actors, and how they perform also influences how much we like a character. I can find Graha annoying, but like how Jonathan Bailey sounds in the role, so his acting improved how much I liked the character even if the writing for him sometimes irks me. These characters in this medium don't exist in a vacuum, so "of course" I'd also mention the poor performance.

Since you aren't seeing that people's distaste of Wuk Lamat is layered and multifaceted, I'd also like to point out that people can:
1. Not want any ONE character taking over an entire expansion, whether they like the character or not,
2. Dislike everything about Wuk Lamat like I do, and
3. Find that the writers failed both in character writing and character allotment simultaneously, but due to how terrible Wuk us, the issue that she is omnipresent creates a far bigger issue in that she is so irritating, that she makes the overall experience worse than if someone liked the star of the story.

[Voidmage]

I have no idea why you call it harping. It's just a fact. Wuk Lamat isn't real. She can't "single handedly ruin a story". You can phrase things that way, and many have in this thread and others, it just means I personally perceive it as hate vs criticism.

A character doesn't have to be real to be regarded as ruining a story. That's called the Scrappy.

Mind you I don't know if Wuk Lamat ruins the story alone because thats subjective (for me she does) but she is probably the biggest factor for those who dislike the MSQ.

Let me use an example. People hated Lyse. Writers certainly got that feedback right? Yet they created a new character who is like 2x her presence and a polar opposite disposition. When you tell writers you hate a character, it's less effective than just saying please don't write protagonists who replace the WoL in the story. Not for half a story, a full story or at all. I am not telling anyone to stop giving feedback. I am telling you that vitriol aimed at a character probably won't get you what you want.

We are just customers and fans. We don't need to write an essay for criticism.
The devs know that people hate a character. How they answer that is their problem. There is normaly an entire department for stuff like that.
Saying "hey Square, this character sucks and ruins the story" shouldn't be answered with "understood, here have another character that's even worse then before".
They get payed to think themself.

Also there have been entire threads about what the problems are even in this thread here itself.
If the devs don't see the reasons then they don't want to see them.

[LyraShu]

I have no idea why you call it harping. It's just a fact. Wuk Lamat isn't real. She can't "single handedly ruin a story". You can phrase things that way, and many have in this thread and others, it just means I personally perceive it as hate vs criticism.

Let me use an example. People hated Lyse. Writers certainly got that feedback right? Yet they created a new character who is like 2x her presence and a polar opposite disposition. When you tell writers you hate a character, it's less effective than just saying please don't write protagonists who replace the WoL in the story. Not for half a story, a full story or at all. I am not telling anyone to stop giving feedback. I am telling you that vitriol aimed at a character probably won't get you what you want.

Another thing I would say is that it's funny you brought up the VA because of course you did.

Objectively, Wuk Lamat being "shoved in your face"-- that's a writing issue. It's not a character issue. If you don't want any character playing that kind of role in the story, it has nothing to do with Wuk Lamat.

Also you can like part of the writing. The problem is saying "Without Wuk Lamat Kriles story would be good". You literally don't know that. You can say it, I'm just saying it's not true.

Lol, if you think "single handedly ruin a story" is being hateful, then I can only say that I am super happy that you have had a nice time in life

You also seem to be hung up on semantics, when people just want to share their viewpoints and thoughts. Right or wrong, it doesn't actually matter. Remember, these are just words on a screen to you so it's not like you should worry that much.

Regardless, I hope you have a great day!~