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  1. #6851
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    sindriiisgaming's Avatar
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    Sugar And'spice
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    Twintania
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shenlao View Post
    EX2 has been done with no healer it's joever.
    You know. Even if they nerfed tanks this would still happen. Clearing x or y fight without a healer isn't really like some Criptonite to healers. The people doing this are in the small percentiles and unholy addicted to the game, they're the same people clearing top w/o them. So I pose this question to you. Could you clear ex 2 with no healers? Or top? Or the ex dngs?
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  2. #6852
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    Somnolence's Avatar
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Zodiark
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    The people doing this are in the small percentiles and unholy addicted to the game, they're the same people clearing top w/o them. So I pose this question to you. Could you clear ex 2 with no healers?
    Clearing EX with 8 tanks can be done by anybody already playing tanks in EX'es. Are you forgetting 8 tank EX1 clears were done by randoms in PF? So Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    Or top?
    If I would play WAR what would be the differences in what I have to do compared to normal TOP exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    Or the ex dngs?
    I did post a video of a dungeon being cleared w/o healers by sprouts clicking their abilities in this thread some time ago. Claiming that clearing dungeons without healers is some special feat requiring any skill is just pure gaslighting.
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  3. #6853
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    Shenlao's Avatar
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    Yulao Zhuen
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    Raiden
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    Pugilist Lv 31
    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    You know. Even if they nerfed tanks this would still happen. Clearing x or y fight without a healer isn't really like some Criptonite to healers. The people doing this are in the small percentiles and unholy addicted to the game, they're the same people clearing top w/o them. So I pose this question to you. Could you clear ex 2 with no healers? Or top? Or the ex dngs?
    I can't clear anything when my character is disfigured. Square union busted us.
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  4. #6854
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    Saraide's Avatar
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    The healerless clears are notworthy not because of healers being scared they'll be out of a job soon but because it informs how the game is played when they are present and that is boring one button spam while any needs to heal will be more and more relegated to your sequence of extremely powerful oGCDs while your 1 button damage filler takes up more and more of your time. The only people who do not have a majority of their actions be on glare are the people who simply do not press a GCD at all. The top healing log on EX1 has 0% Broil usage but they also only have 17% GCD uptime. Instead of engaging with scholar's damage "rotation" they have simply elected to do nothing instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  5. #6855
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    The healerless clears are notworthy not because of healers being scared they'll be out of a job soon but because it informs how the game is played when they are present and that is boring one button spam while any needs to heal will be more and more relegated to your sequence of extremely powerful oGCDs while your 1 button damage filler takes up more and more of your time. The only people who do not have a majority of their actions be on glare are the people who simply do not press a GCD at all. The top healing log on EX1 has 0% Broil usage but they also only have 17% GCD uptime. Instead of engaging with scholar's damage "rotation" they have simply elected to do nothing instead.
    They were probably using their broil hand to eat or something.
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  6. #6856
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    Galvuu's Avatar
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    Galveira Vorfeed
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    Ragnarok
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    You know. Even if they nerfed tanks this would still happen. Clearing x or y fight without a healer isn't really like some Criptonite to healers. The people doing this are in the small percentiles and unholy addicted to the game, they're the same people clearing top w/o them. So I pose this question to you. Could you clear ex 2 with no healers? Or top? Or the ex dngs?
    No, this is definitely a problem. Any extreme should require a proper comp. This isn't some "casual dungeon content" (even if I personally think the trinity should be meaningful even in that content), it's a symptom of how broken the trinity is in this game. Also applies to dps, because there's no way tanks should be clearing enrage with our god-awful current gear.
    I don't know how you see ex1 being cleared by tanks only and think "working as intended".
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  7. #6857
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    Jokerz_93's Avatar
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    Tora Noyama
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    Phoenix
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    Lancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    You know. Even if they nerfed tanks this would still happen. Clearing x or y fight without a healer isn't really like some Criptonite to healers. The people doing this are in the small percentiles and unholy addicted to the game, they're the same people clearing top w/o them. So I pose this question to you. Could you clear ex 2 with no healers? Or top? Or the ex dngs?
    It’s not rocket science.
    Since XIV fights are the same dance over and over again you can plan beforehand and than spend hours to get the fight done.
    You just need time and 7 ppl willing to do that.
    No particular skill required besides the bare minimum capacity to run an extreme/ults/the game.

    Clearing contents without one role should not possible, in any way.
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  8. #6858
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    Agnes Nimue
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    Midgardsormr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    You know. Even if they nerfed tanks this would still happen. Clearing x or y fight without a healer isn't really like some Criptonite to healers. The people doing this are in the small percentiles and unholy addicted to the game, they're the same people clearing top w/o them. So I pose this question to you. Could you clear ex 2 with no healers? Or top? Or the ex dngs?
    I think what healerless clears is implying is not so much that top percentage of players are able to pull off crazy comps and still clear, but more so that the damage output is so low that you're able to clear fights without a dedicated healer.

    So if you're able to clear without a healer, what exactly is that saying about healing requirements when you are a healer? A job that's able to heal over double the amount of an entire comp that doesn't have a healer with a push of a single oGCD... are you really being engaged as a healer in this situation?
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  9. #6859
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Woo I'm up to 160 Broils in EX2! Amazing baby! It feels so satisfying to optimize GCD variety away to replace it with the same spell I've casted 150 times.

    Edit: Here's my simple suggestion that doesn't add more buttons and ads a bit of GCD variety to the filler time of healers.

    WHM

    Dia damage has a 30% chance of granting Sacred Sight , allowing the execution of Glare IV. (Sacred Sight stacks up to 3 times)

    SGE

    Toxikon's potency is increased to 400.

    Dosis has a 50% chance to grant 1 Addersting.

    SCH

    Ruin II applies a 40 potency AoE DoT for 12 seconds. Targets afflicted with Biolisys will spread the Biolisys effect to nearby targets. Also give it a new animation, Ruin II is a 11 year old spell.

    AST

    Malefic consumes 3 seconds of Combust to deal additional damage. (Eh I dunno about this one. I'd probably do something about the card system instead.)
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    Last edited by GrimGale; 07-12-2024 at 10:36 PM.

  10. #6860
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    LynxDubh's Avatar
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    Lynx Dubh
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    Faerie
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Woo I'm up to 160 Broils in EX2! Amazing baby! It feels so satisfying to optimize GCD variety away to replace it with the same spell I've casted 150 times.

    Edit: Here's my simple suggestion that doesn't add more buttons and ads a bit of GCD variety to the filler time of healers.

    WHM

    Dia damage has a 30% chance of granting Sacred Sight , allowing the execution of Glare IV. (Sacred Sight stacks up to 3 times)

    SGE

    Toxikon's potency is increased to 400.

    Dosis has a 50% chance to grant 1 Addersting.

    SCH

    Ruin II applies a 40 potency AoE DoT for 12 seconds. Targets afflicted with Biolisys will spread the Biolisys effect to nearby targets. Also give it a new animation, Ruin II is a 11 year old spell.

    AST

    Malefic consumes 3 seconds of Combust to deal additional damage. (Eh I dunno about this one. I'd probably do something about the card system instead.)
    For WHM, if they added a stack of Sacred Sight to Assize it would be enough. That would double our casts of it, 6 in total every 120s. Or just make PoM a 60s cooldown.

    SGE, buff Toxicon’s damage. Have Rhizomata give 1-3 addersting. Let the dots stack, E. Dosis to 21s. And lower the cooldown of Psyche, nerf damage if needed, if you wanna be spicy and fun have it proc Kadia heal. Heck, let Psche try and apply paralysis for some dungeon CC, have fun with it.
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    Last edited by LynxDubh; 07-12-2024 at 11:18 PM.

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