#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aravell]

Why dont you just close twitter and the forum if you hate it so much?

Because they are angry, and they want to whine about being angry, because they have nothing better to do than go into threads that make them angry and get angry, and then throw a tantrum while claiming everyone else is whining.

What a blessed life one must lead to have that much free time on hand.

[DeathNoodles]

Because they are angry, and they want to whine about being angry, because they have nothing better to do than go into threads that make them angry and get angry, and then throw a tantrum while claiming everyone else is whining.

What a blessed life one must lead to have that much free time on hand.

Not sure if you know what a strike is. It's an agreement by a group of people w/ common goal to refrain from doing some kind of action expected of them (healers, healing, etc). I've seen complaints about healing in this game for years. The people who play this game fund the salaries of Square Enix staff, they're entitled to say their piece even if you think it's whiny. Yoshi P reads the top 10 forum threads daily.

[Striker44]

Not sure if you know what a strike is. It's an agreement by a group of people w/ common goal to refrain from doing some kind of action expected of them (healers, healing, etc). I've seen complaints about healing in this game for years. The people who play this game fund the salaries of Square Enix staff, they're entitled to say their piece even if you think it's whiny. Yoshi P reads the top 10 forum threads daily.

I think that's part of where the issue is. There is no common goal here. You have some people claiming the strike is to convince the dev team to make changes to the game, and others just as adamantly claiming it's not about making changes at all. And even among the ones that want changes, there's no agreement on what that should be. One group wants there to be more to heal via more damage output by enemies, another group wants it by reducing healing/self-sustain by other roles, and yet others aren't talking about healing at all but want full DPS rotations on healers. Without a common goal, it just devolves into a classic case of "no matter what you do, you can't please everyone."

[aiqa]

I think that's part of where the issue is. There is no common goal here. You have some people claiming the strike is to convince the dev team to make changes to the game, and others just as adamantly claiming it's not about making changes at all. And even among the ones that want changes, there's no agreement on what that should be. One group wants there to be more to heal via more damage output by enemies, another group wants it by reducing healing/self-sustain by other roles, and yet others aren't talking about healing at all but want full DPS rotations on healers. Without a common goal, it just devolves into a classic case of "no matter what you do, you can't please everyone."

Your examples aren't mutually exclusive.

[Aword3213]

I think that's part of where the issue is. There is no common goal here. You have some people claiming the strike is to convince the dev team to make changes to the game, and others just as adamantly claiming it's not about making changes at all. And even among the ones that want changes, there's no agreement on what that should be. One group wants there to be more to heal via more damage output by enemies, another group wants it by reducing healing/self-sustain by other roles, and yet others aren't talking about healing at all but want full DPS rotations on healers. Without a common goal, it just devolves into a classic case of "no matter what you do, you can't please everyone."

Even if all healers around the world somehow miraculously ask for one single same thing, you'll still dismiss it anyway. Don't act as if you're working for the betterment of the strike out of kindness of your heart

[Striker44]

Even if all healers around the world somehow miraculously ask for one single same thing, you'll still dismiss it anyway. Don't act as if you're working for the betterment of the strike out of kindness of your heart

From my last post on this thread:

Now, if the sole goal was to increase the amount of damage being done so that we'd have "more to heal," I could potentially get behind that. But the "goal" of the strike is so all over the place, I can't have any confidence that's the direction things would ultimately goal.

I also earlier suggested potentially focusing on lowering the max ilvl that various roulette content utilizes. We're noticing the need for more healing in current content, and also pointing out how it's because we're actually at the intended gear levels for it, but SE puts the ceiling so high that the challenge soon disappears. Consider how Alliance Raids end up skipping mechanics over time. So no, I wouldn't dismiss ideas completely out of hand just because.

Also, nothing in my comment was in any way even pretending to be "for the betterment of the strike"; I was responding to someone and pointing out the underlying flaw.

Why does "everyone" have to be pleased? There is no product on the market that works that way, You have once again also shown a fundamental misunderstanding of how software development works as well, by strolling in again and lamenting how there is a lack of agreement or differing/conflicting opinions. So what? This is something I deal with routinely, I am sure that Square does as well, on a daily basis, in decide upon what to develop. It isn't new, it's part of human nature, it's part of complex systems.

You're just not doing more than repeating the same tired things with seemingly no proposed solution.

This...umm...was exactly my point...when you get so many different "problems" being claimed, and so many of those "problems" directly contradict each other, the only logical conclusion becomes that no matter what you do, some people will be dissatisfied. There's "seemingly no proposed solution" because in that scenario, the "solution" is to change nothing. For a "strike" to succeed, it needs very clear, very specific, actionable goals. Not a hodge-podge of conflicting desires with a sizable portion denying there's even a desire to change anything in the first place.

[Isala]

From my last post on this thread:



I also earlier suggested potentially focusing on lowering the max ilvl that various roulette content utilizes. We're noticing the need for more healing in current content, and also pointing out how it's because we're actually at the intended gear levels for it, but SE puts the ceiling so high that the challenge soon disappears. Consider how Alliance Raids end up skipping mechanics over time. So no, I wouldn't dismiss ideas completely out of hand just because.

Also, nothing in my comment was in any way even pretending to be "for the betterment of the strike"; I was responding to someone and pointing out the underlying flaw.



This...umm...was exactly my point...when you get so many different "problems" being claimed, and so many of those "problems" directly contradict each other, the only logical conclusion becomes that no matter what you do, some people will be dissatisfied. There's "seemingly no proposed solution" because in that scenario, the "solution" is to change nothing. For a "strike" to succeed, it needs very clear, very specific, actionable goals. Not a hodge-podge of conflicting desires with a sizable portion denying there's even a desire to change anything in the first place.

Oh noes, we upset a handful of people by trying to make it better for everyone... Look, it'll suck for them, or even me, if it happens to be a change that I don't enjoy, but at least they will have tried SOMETHING. It won't be the same festering design we've had for half a decade.

[aiqa]

This...umm...was exactly my point...when you get so many different "problems" being claimed

You can probably group all the complaints in 3 more generic versions, maybe 1 or 2 more. That isn't exactly a huge number for any normal functioning and somewhat clearheaded human.

and so many of those "problems" directly contradict each other

None of the examples you gave contradict eachother.

[IDontPetLalas]

From my last post on this thread:



I also earlier suggested potentially focusing on lowering the max ilvl that various roulette content utilizes. We're noticing the need for more healing in current content, and also pointing out how it's because we're actually at the intended gear levels for it, but SE puts the ceiling so high that the challenge soon disappears. Consider how Alliance Raids end up skipping mechanics over time. So no, I wouldn't dismiss ideas completely out of hand just because.

Also, nothing in my comment was in any way even pretending to be "for the betterment of the strike"; I was responding to someone and pointing out the underlying flaw.



This...umm...was exactly my point...when you get so many different "problems" being claimed, and so many of those "problems" directly contradict each other, the only logical conclusion becomes that no matter what you do, some people will be dissatisfied. There's "seemingly no proposed solution" because in that scenario, the "solution" is to change nothing. For a "strike" to succeed, it needs very clear, very specific, actionable goals. Not a hodge-podge of conflicting desires with a sizable portion denying there's even a desire to change anything in the first place.

There you go, you just waved your hands in the air again. Once again, you threw up some imaginary, hopeless situation, as if there could not possibly be other projects whether people had contradictory or competing positions, ever, possibly before. Hilarious, really, considering what people have achieved in the past. But no, somehow making job adjustments is an impossible feat for you.

I'll let you in a little secret- there is no way that "everyone" will be 100% happy with any change. This has never stopped any business from making changes- otherwise- they go out of business.

[IDontPetLalas]

I think that's part of where the issue is. There is no common goal here. You have some people claiming the strike is to convince the dev team to make changes to the game, and others just as adamantly claiming it's not about making changes at all. And even among the ones that want changes, there's no agreement on what that should be. One group wants there to be more to heal via more damage output by enemies, another group wants it by reducing healing/self-sustain by other roles, and yet others aren't talking about healing at all but want full DPS rotations on healers. Without a common goal, it just devolves into a classic case of "no matter what you do, you can't please everyone."

Why does "everyone" have to be pleased? There is no product on the market that works that way, You have once again also shown a fundamental misunderstanding of how software development works as well, by strolling in again and lamenting how there is a lack of agreement or differing/conflicting opinions. So what? This is something I deal with routinely, I am sure that Square does as well, on a daily basis, in decide upon what to develop. It isn't new, it's part of human nature, it's part of complex systems.

You're just not doing more than repeating the same tired things with seemingly no proposed solution.