#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[sindriiisgaming]

The thing is DF healers aren’t any worse than any other role it’s just that there is 2 lynchpin roles in a party and only one lynchpin role has an inbuilt 80% damage reduction

Healers are seen as pathetic for failure, tanks aren’t allowed to fail

Then why not demand a nerf on tanks instead of a change on healer. We all know if it wasn't for war this wouldn't even be a problem

[Supersnow845]

Then why not demand a nerf on tanks instead of a change on healer. We all know if it wasn't for war this wouldn't even be a problem

It’s like the second point on the first post

Correction it’s literally the first point

Healers aren’t bad, they just look bad compared to a role that’s basically playing with cheat codes on

[sindriiisgaming]

It’s like the second point on the first post

Correction it’s literally the first point

Healers aren’t bad, they just look bad compared to a role that’s basically playing with cheat codes on

Yea but the rest of the points and of the people shouting and yelling are because healers 11111 spam. So I think the lack of real conclusively is why the devs will not change anything. When instead just saying "nerf tank healing" would be easier for 99% of people to get behind and wouldn't come off elietist. Where as "healers are ez mode" yea u can see how it comes off

[Saraide]

Yea but the rest of the points and of the people shouting and yelling are because healers 11111 spam. So I think the lack of real conclusively is why the devs will not change anything. When instead just saying "nerf tank healing" would be easier for 99% of people to get behind and wouldn't come off elietist. Where are "healers are ez mode" yea u can see how it comes off

Because there is more than one problem with healer job design. It's not just tank self sustain. It's not just glarespam. Both is a problem and the combine to make an even worse problem: it's boring for people across all skill levels.

What is it they say about assume again?
It makes a something something of something something. Yea. Ur assuming. I did read them and I've been reading this thread for a while. And I'm noticing the complains aren't organised. Half of you want 1 thing half want the other. Because of this inconsistency the devs are unlikely to listen to either

Half of you call the strikers casual scrubs who should play harder content before speaking and half of you call them elitist scum who just want to gatekeep dungeons? Why dont you organize?

[sindriiisgaming]

Because there is more than one problem with healer job design. It's not just tank self sustain. It's not just glarespam. Both is a problem and the combine to make an even worse problem: it's boring for people across all skill levels.

They won't add complexity to healers rotations. I'd give that dream up now. If they did theyde alienate casuals from the role even further. Its probably better to demand a change to tanks instead aswell as more heal checks

[Saraide]

They won't add complexity to healers rotations. I'd give that dream up now. If they did theyde alienate casuals from the role even further. Its probably better to demand a change to tanks instead aswell as more heal checks

So would you say it's best to stop playing healer until something changes?

[sindriiisgaming]

So would you say it's best to stop playing healer until something changes?

No. That's utterly pointless. I personally hate the design of current tanks. But I still play them because I have things I want from the role. However. I'm aware if 99% of people suddenly stopped playing it or leveling it that the dev team would be forced to act. That's what happened to mch after all. But the reason I think it's pointless is because we can almost be 100% sure nothing will change till 8.0

Yes it's possible to wipe from receiving too much damage. That's what I'm saying. It's not possible to lack due to a lack of healer dps. So why is giving healers a more complex damage rotation gakekeeping casuals but increasing heal checks, which you advocate for, not

Bevause healers damage isn't an issue so there's no need to fix it. What a healer should do is heal. Not dps.

There is only slightly more damage in DT because of gear, people also did dead ends and haedalyn ex and declared healers fixed in EW. We all know where that went

And these days I can’t think of an MMO with a hard trinity that doesn’t encourage healers to DPS

None of us could have forseen how stupidly easy endwalker would become after endsinger. Tho it was given away after the 1st dungeon when all the rest had basically NO mecanics

The healers in wow have actual heals they need to do. Sure some of them do them through damage but the heal checks are actually viable

[sindriiisgaming]

Because there is more than one problem with healer job design. It's not just tank self sustain. It's not just glarespam. Both is a problem and the combine to make an even worse problem: it's boring for people across all skill levels.



Half of you call the strikers casual scrubs who should play harder content before speaking and half of you call them elitist scum who just want to gatekeep dungeons? Why dont you organize?

Because of 2 reasons. 1 those of us being toxic like that aren't trying to inact real change. So we don't have a horse in the race.

2. Quite simply I cannot controll the behaviour of people who are still in school. Nor should I be expected to

[Supersnow845]

Yea but the rest of the points and of the people shouting and yelling are because healers 11111 spam. So I think the lack of real conclusively is why the devs will not change anything. When instead just saying "nerf tank healing" would be easier for 99% of people to get behind and wouldn't come off elietist. Where as "healers are ez mode" yea u can see how it comes off

The problem is that there is just more than one problem and different people push back against different things

For example, you tend to lean towards “nerfing tank sustain is fine” whereas I’ve debated others who said I’m not so many words “I’ll only support you if you don’t nerf any other role to achieve what you want”

Different facets of healer design have different problems for different people and proposed fixes anger different people, for example the tank forum would rather rip you apart than consider WAR’s healing is overtuned

They won't add complexity to healers rotations. I'd give that dream up now. If they did theyde alienate casuals from the role even further. Its probably better to demand a change to tanks instead aswell as more heal checks

Which we have also had people on this thread tell us “healing checks will make the casuals abandon the role you are better off asking for more DPS”

[sindriiisgaming]

The problem is that there is just more than one problem and different people push back against different things

For example, you tend to lean towards “nerfing tank sustain is fine” whereas I’ve debated others who said I’m not so many words “I’ll only support you if you don’t nerf any other role to achieve what you want”

Different facets of healer design have different problems for different people and proposed fixes anger different people, for example the tank forum would rather rip you apart than consider WAR’s healing is overtuned



Which we have also had people on this thread tell us “healing checks will make the casuals abandon the role you are better off asking for more DPS”

That's because shb spoiled healers by giving them nothing to heal. Endwalker only made it worse. So now the healers are unwilling to adjust back to being about healing instead of dpsing. Where as 99% of mmo on the market will ask healers to heal and barley give them dps kits