Picto sweeps

[CrystalAurora]

Balance of the game should be that every DPS job no matter the role is within a couple of percent between each other. Forcing these large gaps depending on how the balance team subjectively views how hard they are or how much utility they have just drives people away from the class that they actually enjoy and want to play.

Players need to put their ego aside and the excuse that "I'm playing the harder job so I should do way more DPS" away, its just toxic and we end up with situations like how SMN and the physical ranged will end up being 12-15% behind BLM, PCT and all of the melee DPS.

If you're a competent player you're going to be able to keep near 100% uptime along with a near perfect rotation and do around the same damage across the jobs if they are close to evenly balanced so why does it matter how hard you perceive them to be if you're really THAT good at the game.

[PercibelTheren]

Balance of the game should be that every DPS job no matter the role is within a couple of percent between each other. Forcing these large gaps depending on how the balance team subjectively views how hard they are or how much utility they have just drives people away from the class that they actually enjoy and want to play.

Players need to put their ego aside and the excuse that "I'm playing the harder job so I should do way more DPS" away, its just toxic and we end up with situations like how SMN and the physical ranged will end up being 12-15% behind BLM, PCT and all of the melee DPS.

If you're a competent player you're going to be able to keep near 100% uptime along with a near perfect rotation and do around the same damage across the jobs if they are close to evenly balanced so why does it matter how hard you perceive them to be if you're really THAT good at the game.

I agree with you. The reward for mastering a complex job should be satisfying gameplay, not the job having arbitrarily higher numbers.

[CaedemSanguis]

RDM should be well above SMN. SMN is basically a physical ranged job without cast bars, and should have a mobility tax just like a phys ranged job has.
Otherwise you get EW, and RDM is never played.

What is the point of taking smn when rdm have more dps and can rez a whole groupe in a few gcd ?

Smn needs to have a better dps than rdm

[CaedemSanguis]

Honestly there is no real reason why PCT needs to be weaker than BLM

It should be

PCT/BLM>>>RDM>>>>>>SMN

PCT’s only utility over BLM is tempra grassa (which is really good) but honestly BLM and PCT could share SGE/SCH’s balance. The one with the raid buffs pulls ahead in high end groups but the selfish one is better in lower end groups (ie PCT rDPS>BLM aDPS) because honestly at this point given what has to be shoved into its burst window it’s arguable PCT is the harder class now

It’s just too big of a gap, BLM is too weak and PCT is too strong

Party utility & mobility ?

Blm needs to have more rdps/adps than pct

[Supersnow845]

Party utility & mobility ?

Blm needs to have more rdps/adps than pct

Mobility isn’t a massive consideration. BLM is actually more mobile than PCT during long windows as BLM can store more instacast’s whereas PCT is more mobile during unexpected movement or short movement

As for utility the difference is basically tempra grassa which while very good doesn’t really by itself justify a nerf

So yeah I’d still be happy with PCT and BLM having SCH/SGE’s EW balance in terms of aDPS of the selfish class vs rDPS of the buffer

[CaedemSanguis]

Mobility isn’t a massive consideration. BLM is actually more mobile than PCT during long windows as BLM can store more instacast’s whereas PCT is more mobile during unexpected movement or short movement

As for utility the difference is basically tempra grassa which while very good doesn’t really by itself justify a nerf

So yeah I’d still be happy with PCT and BLM having SCH/SGE’s EW balance in terms of aDPS of the selfish class vs rDPS of the buffer

For adps, Since pct have a raid buff, he definitely needs to be behind the blm

For rdps, I still think that pct should be behind blm since easier + more party utility

[Supersnow845]

For adps, Since pct have a raid buff, he definitely needs to be behind the blm

For rdps, I still think that pct should be behind blm since easier + more party utility

BLM vs PCT on the difficulty front is honestly a coin flip, the removal of non standard on BLM has basically made its optimisation “don’t drop the rigid standard line” and PCT itself has some wonky optimisation but fair on utility. I’m still fine with PCT’s rDPS exceeding BLM aDPS at the top end since the difference isn’t that much (and again it basically mirrors healers where SCH is just a better healer than SGE but it also does more damage but only if you can optimise your entire party around your raid buff)

The problem right now is BLM is undertuned, both PCT and BLM should be competing directly with the best of the melees as they are all fighting for the 4th spot alongside their own role spot

[Galvuu]

What is the point of taking smn when rdm have more dps and can rez a whole groupe in a few gcd ?

Smn needs to have a better dps than rdm

SMN is more mobile, has self-mit and is generally much easier to play.
Like, not having cast bars needs to have a cost when your role is caster.

[Taranok]

BLM vs PCT on the difficulty front is honestly a coin flip, the removal of non standard on BLM has basically made its optimisation “don’t drop the rigid standard line” and PCT itself has some wonky optimisation but fair on utility. I’m still fine with PCT’s rDPS exceeding BLM aDPS at the top end since the difference isn’t that much (and again it basically mirrors healers where SCH is just a better healer than SGE but it also does more damage but only if you can optimise your entire party around your raid buff)

The problem right now is BLM is undertuned, both PCT and BLM should be competing directly with the best of the melees as they are all fighting for the 4th spot alongside their own role spot

PCT isn't fighting for the 4th slot. It's squarely in the CDPS slot. The only fight is whether you want a resser that much or not. The fourth slot should be the exclusive perview of greedy DPS. SAM, VPR, MCH, and BLM. The fact PCT is even competitive with the greedy DPS slot, at all, says more about how extremely badly balanced PCT is. Why even bring a greedy DPS when you can bring a buffer DPS that does the damage of a greedy one as well?

[Supersnow845]

PCT isn't fighting for the 4th slot. It's squarely in the CDPS slot. The only fight is whether you want a resser that much or not. The fourth slot should be the exclusive perview of greedy DPS. SAM, VPR, MCH, and BLM. The fact PCT is even competitive with the greedy DPS slot, at all, says more about how extremely badly balanced PCT is. Why even bring a greedy DPS when you can bring a buffer DPS that does the damage of a greedy one as well?

If the rDPS of a buff job is equal to the aDPS of a selfish job then they overall contribute the same

There is no reason why a job with a buff cannot compete for the 4th slot. MNK, NIN DRG and RPR already content for that slot as well people just have this weird idea that if a non melee has a party buff it has to do trash damage

When you pull out PCT raid buff it does low melee damage, and when you add its raid buff it does high melee damage, that basically puts it in the same place as MNK or RPR, which is totally fine, double caster should be totally viable as long as one of those casters is a BLM/PCT