Request: I don't want to solo the main scenario

[Theplatter]

You know what this belly aching is actually beginning to piss me off. When I came to FFXI when I finally hit cap on my first job and struggled through all my missions and attained my goals through diligence and due effort I felt amazing after each victory but there was something that stood in my way.

CoP

My linkshell had a group going through and they were already a good two weeks ahead of me. Said they could get me in the next round but I didn't want that. So you know what I did? I shouted. I didn't /shout CoP [Can I have it?] {Please invite}

I looked up my fights. I did my research. I bought my overpriced 1 time use items. I put together the party. I preped them and then I tanked my way through CoP. (Which I later did on PUP which is wayyyy more fun)

It took me 3 weeks to go through that stubborn bastard and I did 90% of the work myself. So don't even START with this 'poor me it is too hard to find PT's to do stuff with'. Deal with it. Better yet actually deal with it. Instead of waiting around endlessly in town go out and BUILD your PT and GET it DONE. If you think getting invited to a PT for an event and completing it is good. Just wait until you LEAD it. It is like find a $20 bill in your back pocket a hundred times in a row. FFXIV will never be as hard as CoP which saddens me a great deal. That also means that any content we'll have in the future will be a fraction of the difficulty of going through CoP and I crawed my way to victory on that. You can too.


So any hardships you're having getting a PT together for a single fight that you never have to do again. You don't have my sympathies. Time and time again I have found that it is lack of assertiveness rather then lack of available PT's that leads to you not completing your goals. Take the challenge head on and defeat that which stands in your way. Be it a monster or your own nervousness of starting a shout for something you need. This is a MULTI player game. Find other players and USE them.

Hit the nail on the head right thar.

[Medved]

FFXI is like 9 years old man. Of course it is dying. In its hay day it was one of the best contenders around. Had it not been for WoW and its out of control success I doubt we'd even been talking about this because FFXIV would have adopted the same difficulty it started out with in FFXI. It is only because every single old white guy who invests in gaming stocks sees the $$$ signs that they whip lash devs into being more like WoW. There are plenty of games out there. Most of them are following the same trend of casualization. Is it so much to ask that ONE doesn't?! Especially if that one is the sequel to a game that is used to torture political prisoners?

I know FFXI was dying for a long time, in general anyway I agree with what you are saying but my point is I guess:

and to answer in a similar way you did:

Most of them are following the same trend of casualization. Is it so much to ask that a FF MMORPG game also do! Especially if that one is the sequel to a game that is used to torture political prisoners?

/cheers lol

[Dragon]

I give up.....ever herd about real life ? Thats where the hardships are.....those are video GAMESwhy want a feeling of accomplisment in those...i want to have fun. Goddammit, finishing COP never gave me a raise or standing in the society...running around SEA never got me laid....AND IT NEVER will, its just a game.

I am sorry, I just don't get the point at all...

/cheers

And you never will, so why does every MMORPG have to cater to you? Can you just NOT leave one single MMORPG alone? Go play SWTOR, Tera, or whatever the latest WoW clone is and just leave FFXIV alone. Damnit.

[Zaaku]

I know FFXI was dying for a long time, in general anyway I agree with what you are saying but my point is I guess:

and to answer in a similar way you did:

Most of them are following the same trend of casualization. Is it so much to ask that a FF MMORPG game also do! Especially if that one is the sequel to a game that is used to torture political prisoners?

/cheers lol

Yes it kind of is. Final Fantasies are exalted for their Story more then anything else. Toning down what should be, and I hate using this word, epic encounters because it is too hard for people unwilling to find or build a group is going to ruin the game. If this were any other game I'd say fug it and move off but this is a game I actually care about. Hate to see it become a mediocre flash in the pan because they tilted their hats towards people who can't even be arsed to put in a ounce of effort. Those kinds of subscribers tend to be fickle as the wind and will hurt the game in the long run. They will have to resort to stop gap measures like, "FREE MOUNTS FOR RETURNS PLAYERS! REFER A FRIEND AND GET A FREE CAPPED JOB!" to keep their numbers up because they made a hallow gameplay experience.

[Dragon]

I know FFXI was dying for a long time, in general anyway I agree with what you are saying but my point is I guess:

and to answer in a similar way you did:

Most of them are following the same trend of casualization. Is it so much to ask that a FF MMORPG game also do! Especially if that one is the sequel to a game that is used to torture political prisoners?

/cheers lol

Is it so much to ask for to have FF remain true to its roots? Is it so much to ask for to have a non-casual MMORPG on the market?

Yes, I'd rather go back and play FFXI, and make Aion, BnS, or Queen's Blade my "casual" MMORPG choice. But I can't, Abyssea screwed it up for me.

[Cendres]

Is it so much to ask for to have FF remain true to its roots? Is it so much to ask for to have a non-casual MMORPG on the market?

Yes, I'd rather go back and play FFXI, and make Aion, BnS, or Queen's Blade my "casual" MMORPG choice. But I can't, Abyssea screwed it up for me.

Go ahead for the love of Pete. People still play Eq1, you want to ruin your entire game because of one expansion? Abandon it and try to mold the casual one, and yes actually FFXIV is supposed to be a more casual oriented FF Online, it never was intended to replace FFXI.

Instead of moaning here, why do you not go back to FFXI and moan there where you actually want to be? Where maybe they'll listen to you and release content you'll be happy to grind through? But no of course not, let's do like all the disastisfied players (WoW I'm looking at you) not happy with their current content, go to another MMO and whine on their forums on how much it's not like that other MMO they used to play and love but chose to abandon instead of continuing to support that and give those devs this feedback that actually belongs there and not to the new MMO with a whole other vision and purpose.....

/phew *wipes brow*

[Hyrist]

K, here I was thinking I could talk calmly about a single request towards the game, and instead I got exactly what the tag on the thread

" i want i want i want"

It was a good warning.

OP, you need a lesson in displaying your arguments constructively. Also, there needs to be a clearer defined message for discussion in the threads.

For example, many of your arguments have nothing to do with your title at all. You could easily meet many of your demands by making scripted single player fights that vary depending on the situation. Why there cannot be both a 1 player and a multiplayer version of fights is a question that could be asked.

As far as more difficult battles: That's entirely subjective to skill. I know firends that have been at Ifirit and GKM and still haven't beaten either. Should Storyline quests be a dead-end feeling for people as well. CoP had many many many complaints about the difficulty and was adjusted three times before the level cap was ultimately removed from those fights. I have good memories of overcoming the challenge, but I also have intensely bad memories of having to gather the people needed for the fight - and the incredibly elitist mentality players would up having towards those fights because of the difficulty.

I flatly don't want that experience here, even if it comes at the cost of difficulty of the fights.

Challenging? Sure.
To the point of bottle-necking players? Absolutely not.

So I'm sorry to say, if you feel as if you're being unchallenged by the fights going on, you might just be on the hardcore edge. And I've said so before many times. FFXI's biggest failings was that it only appealed to the hardest of hardcore players throughout the majority of its lifespan.

So the only solution I can think of is to give the players choices of difficulties for BCs, much like we have in Leves. To balance it, you can restrict certain drops or adjust drop-rates depending on the difficulty. But never should you restrict the game's core content, story, by the difficulty of the game.

[Possum440]

The OP wants a game done their way, to suit their playstyle, this is wrong in so many ways. Young kids have been brought up over the last decade to adulthood to believe what has been thrown at them by developers, that an MMO means "Must Group" That was not or should not be the interpretation, it means massively online, lots of folks DOING WHAT THEY WANT. Not the way you want OP. What you call challenge is simply your wanting things to be made your way and everyone else be damned. Any group of people or solo person can be "challenged", using this term as your soapbox is laughable, a dev can make a game any way, to suit any type of player, it simply comes down to money and resources, and right now it is far cheaper to make games fro groups of folks than to accomodate solo folks, so do not try using the word "challenge" in any game, especially a rote game and think you will accomplish something.

To many people are busy bodies and worry about what the player standing next to them are doing, throwing labels around like they have a right to do so. How about instead of hardcore or casual, people call themselves Gamers, and let the person next to them play the game the way they want and not have to listen to someone rail on about what they want other people to do or what they dont want other people to do in a particular game.

I prefer choice myself, in any game, i could care less if "you" want to group all the time or solo all the time, as long as i have a choice in the matter to do what i want, how i want, when i want and get the bling i want without "you" worrying about "me".

I do not want my paid subscription limited by a dev that likes to listen to to one particular microcosm group of a gaming community and have it spill onto me.

I do not care that you need your hand held by being in a group to do Rote action encounters or dungeons, regardless of the hp of a particular boss, if you call that a challenge then enjoy it, if thats your gig then fine, just do not try to influence a developer to make content only one way.

How does my getting the same legendary whoopy item solo, that you got in a group affect your life? Why would you even remotely worry about that? Because you think like a busybody? (hypothetical) Would you jump up and down and rage and yell over Vent or Teamspeak, or rage on the foums because someone got something you have a different way? Do you think we all need to play your way or be penalized because we choose not to do so?

You want challenge? Then tell the devs to take aggro control away from all encounters, no CC, take away hate, take away the ability of warriors and pallies to hold a mob, let that big mob or mobs run amok and go after whomever it wants until it is dead, then you have a challenge, not this pre-programmed "let me keep the mob focussed on me" tripe, Where is the challenge in that? let line of sight rule, so when you attack one mob, everything in the area, like minded will pour onto you. If a boss wants to spend the entire fight going after the squishy folks then you would have a challenge to try and kill it before it kills all your healers or magic users, not like they do now, looks like you would have a challenging scenario....right?

No OP you do not want a challenge, because there is none in Rote action games, only a time sink and repetition until you get the pre-programmed encounter correct. What you want is a game made for your playstyle, nothing more. i prefer a game that has choice for gamers, if a group, or a solo person, wants to finish a dungeon or boss then let them, and dont worry about it. Though i will wager developers will go the more cost effective route.

[Cendres]

I do not want my paid subscription limited by a dev that likes to listen to to one particular microcosm group of a gaming community and have it spill onto me.

Bingo. \o/

[Medved]

And you never will, so why does every MMORPG have to cater to you? Can you just NOT leave one single MMORPG alone? Go play SWTOR, Tera, or whatever the latest WoW clone is and just leave FFXIV alone. Damnit.

**for others that actually debate, please skip this post**


nice mature response..., were having a discussion here, pros and cons. I played im sure more FFXI than you, but yes LIKE SOME OTHERS we are just saying and asking why going back to FFXI, like when you said it FFXI exist... why force FFXIV to be a clone.

I guess it is for people like you still butthurt that FFXI there little second life is dead and evil SE is not giving you a new life called FFXI-2 or aka FFXIV...


i edited your post, i think it is more proper like this:

"Can you just NOT leave one single MMORPG alone? Go playFFXI or whateverpre-Abyssea and just leave FFXIV alone. Damnit. "

go cry me a river or something dude