PL Woes

[Zaaku]

As far as being flamed online, you brought that on yourself. You come in here to complain about a new player, insult him, and then blame it on something which probably wasn't the case (powerlevelling). And then you start to insult people who disagree with you. If I didn't think you were serious, I'd say you'd be trolling.

You honestly believe.

He attained level 50 in a week by not PLing? You are either purposely being dense or are just so empty handed with justification because you know PLing is wrong yet don't want to admit the problems it causes. Like such. Because you do not like to put the work in and don't want others to think ill of people who boost to the finish.

[Lux_Rayna]

You honestly believe.

He attained level 50 in a week by not PLing? You are either purposely being dense or are just so empty handed with justification because you know PLing is wrong yet don't want to admit the problems it causes. Like such. Because you do not like to put the work in and don't want others to think ill of people who boost to the finish.

In a party, or with a constant partner, it is entirely possible to grind to 50 in a week. The problem is that finding stable parties that can play all the time is impossible, so ppl just PL instead. Think about it, how long does it take to go from 40-50 in a party? 2 days tops..you could actually do it in one day if you played like 8-10 hours non-stop.

40-50 is the same amount of xp as 1-40. So if you do the math, it is very possible to go from 1-50 in 4 to 5 days in an xp party that played 8-10 hours non-stop. A week is 7 days, so it is more than possible to lvl to cap in a week without PLing. Course your chances of having a party all the time are 0 unless you play with friends on a daily basis (or with your spouse).

[ChickNorris]

This thread is so full of red herrings and incomprehensible assumptions - even namecalling and complete digressions...whomever said that if they didn't think people were serious, they would think this is a trolling pretty much sums up this entire thread Rijn. So you didn't miss any thing by not reading more than the OP.^^

[RiZi]

Bottom line is PLing doesnt make you suck. Not knowing the strategy does.

[Keyln]

You honestly believe.

He attained level 50 in a week by not PLing? You are either purposely being dense or are just so empty handed with justification because you know PLing is wrong yet don't want to admit the problems it causes. Like such. Because you do not like to put the work in and don't want others to think ill of people who boost to the finish.

I didn't say that he didn't powerlevel. I did say that his lack of knowledge wouldn't be because of powerlevelling. Whether he did or did not powerlevel is immaterial.

[Zaaku]

I didn't say that he didn't powerlevel. I did say that his lack of knowledge wouldn't be because of powerlevelling. Whether he did or did not powerlevel is immaterial.

Is there a disconnect between logic, reason, and FFXIV in your head?

=Player is inexperienced and bad=
=Player is less then a week old=
=Player was PL'd till 50=
=Player never had to play his class since someone got him heaps of EXP while he sat there playing Pokemon Red=
=BUT HE ISN'T BAD BECAUSE HE WAS PL'D! HE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LEARN HARD ENOUGH!=

Saying that people should just magically learn how to play their job at cap when all they have left to fiddle with is End Game is like saying we should just gives cars to every 13 year old on their birthday.


"If he REALLY wants to be good he'll learn how to drive. He doesn't need some time to learn what the rules of the road are. How to properly place his feet. To judge distance and speed. Growing up is boring and he has a party to get to next week and he HAVE to be 16! He can't wait besides growing up is boring and it doesn't really teach you anything you can't learn at the end anyways."

Sure they'll learn but not before a great deal of damage has been done and in the end even if they DO figure it out they would have a better grasp if they began with fundamentals. Not to mention it would separate the good from the bad at least partly. A bad but determined player can cap out but more likely then not he'll stall at some point because PT's keep kicking him for being incompetent.

[Keyln]

Is there a disconnect between logic, reason, and FFXIV in your head?

Ooooh, interesting use of jpg, and the insult isn't half bad. More "your mom" references and perhaps a little more swearing, and this troll effort would be scored higher. I give it a 6 out of 10.

=Player is inexperienced and bad=
=Player is less then a week old=
=Player was PL'd till 50=
=Player never had to play his class since someone got him heaps of EXP while he sat there playing Pokemon Red=
=BUT HE ISN'T BAD BECAUSE HE WAS PL'D! HE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LEARN HARD ENOUGH!=

And you keep forgetting that there are some things that you don't learn just by playing a class until endgame. The proper use of Esuna and Presence of Mind are some of those things. As I said before, whether or not he was powerlevelled is immaterial, as these things one doesn't learn UNTIL one goes into endgame.

Honestly, I don't think you take in consideration that the Moogle fight is nothing like levelling in a party, or in a leve.

Saying that people should just magically learn how to play their job at cap when all they have left to fiddle with is End Game is like saying we should just gives cars to every 13 year old on their birthday.


"If he REALLY wants to be good he'll learn how to drive. He doesn't need some time to learn what the rules of the road are. How to properly place his feet. To judge distance and speed. Growing up is boring and he has a party to get to next week and he HAVE to be 16! He can't wait besides growing up is boring and it doesn't really teach you anything you can't learn at the end anyways."

Bad analogy is bad. There are some things you don't learn until after you grow up and take some responsibility.

Sure they'll learn but not before a great deal of damage has been done and in the end even if they DO figure it out they would have a better grasp if they began with fundamentals. Not to mention it would separate the good from the bad at least partly. A bad but determined player can cap out but more likely then not he'll stall at some point because PT's keep kicking him for being incompetent.

See, here's the thing. You know nothing about this guy. You know nothing of what's he played, or even how he levelled, and yet you keep making these general assertions. For as far as you know, this could have been this guy's first MMO, and he saw his friends playing FFXIV and went, "Oh wow, that looks cool.", and goes out to buy the game. He convinces his friends to get him up to 50 ('cause that's when the real fun starts), as well as get him WHM.

You say it's powerlevelling when in fact, it can't be because WHM didn't come out till just this recent patch, and I can say with certainty that the need for Esuna would never come up even if he levelled using leves or the old fashioned party grind.

[NoctisUmbra]

Is there a disconnect between logic, reason, and FFXIV in your head?

=Player is inexperienced and bad=
=Player is less then a week old=
=Player was PL'd till 50=
=Player never had to play his class since someone got him heaps of EXP while he sat there playing Pokemon Red=
=BUT HE ISN'T BAD BECAUSE HE WAS PL'D! HE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LEARN HARD ENOUGH!=

Saying that people should just magically learn how to play their job at cap when all they have left to fiddle with is End Game is like saying we should just gives cars to every 13 year old on their birthday.


"If he REALLY wants to be good he'll learn how to drive. He doesn't need some time to learn what the rules of the road are. How to properly place his feet. To judge distance and speed. Growing up is boring and he has a party to get to next week and he HAVE to be 16! He can't wait besides growing up is boring and it doesn't really teach you anything you can't learn at the end anyways."

Sure they'll learn but not before a great deal of damage has been done and in the end even if they DO figure it out they would have a better grasp if they began with fundamentals. Not to mention it would separate the good from the bad at least partly. A bad but determined player can cap out but more likely then not he'll stall at some point because PT's keep kicking him for being incompetent.

People get PLed to 50? Here I thought they could only really get PLed to about 40, and then actually had to be a part of grind parties to 50.

[kazaran]

Not everyone has the same base understandign of FF games, XI or XIV. PLign can decrease normal curved learning.

However others who help a person learn will improve the community and other, hopefully they can take advice as long as it is given withotu sarcasm. I know alot of self proclaimed elites that screw up just as much in situations.

[GinTama]

PLing should only be possible till about level 30. PL to 50 ist just plain stupid