#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[ZephyrMenodora]

So, speaking from purely a warrior standpoint, I don't think the solution to making healers more interesting/more impactful is to remove a lot of sustain from other jobs, but specifically, of course, warrior. On the topic of job identity, warrior actually has one. As has been said before, it's "too angry to die." If you take away the "to die" part, you're just left with "angry," which is... certainly not nearly as appealing. Making the other tanks more like warrior in terms of sustain was probably questionable, although I do agree with the buff they gave living dead, because an invuln where you pop it and die anyway is dumb.

That's all to say, the correct solution to making anything more interesting is never going to be to make other things less interesting.

I view Warrior more like a Berserker. They can fight through pain to the bitter end, press on and remain standing beyond normal expectations, but at some point, those injuries can and should catch up to them. I don't think any class should have immortality as part of their identity.

[Len_]

So, speaking from purely a warrior standpoint, I don't think the solution to making healers more interesting/more impactful is to remove a lot of sustain from other jobs, but specifically, of course, warrior. On the topic of job identity, warrior actually has one. As has been said before, it's "too angry to die." If you take away the "to die" part, you're just left with "angry," which is... certainly not nearly as appealing.

What does a warriror have to be "angry" about? Negligible autoattacks? Never dipping below half health if they simply do their rotation?

[Evergrey]

I view Warrior more like a Berserker. They can fight through pain to the bitter end, press on and remain standing beyond normal expectations, but at some point, those injuries can and should catch up to them. I don't think any class should have immortality as part of their identity.

Maybe the Warriors self heal should be temporary ones.
They can survive damage others wouldn't due to their Berserker nature.
But they can't go on forever and that temporary self heal could end up killing them if they don't get a healer to heal them before the temp health runs out.

At least this is how I remember some games depicting a Berserkers endurance.
Self sustain but after a while that extra health goes away. And if the player would end up at a negativ health-pool after they'll die.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Maybe the Warriors self heal should be temporary ones.
They can survive damage others wouldn't due to their Berserker nature.
But they can't go on forever and that temporary self heal could end up killing them if they don't get a healer to heal them before the temp health runs out.

As a Trinity game, no class should be able to just operate independently from having a team, and the Warrior is the worst offender of this - probably followed by Paladin. They definitely need something to tailor their self-healing.

(At least when I'm on Paladin I get yelled at to stop using Clemency as it's a GCD time waster lol).

[MontecristoSandwich]

Umm no I have healed on-content savage...the issue is glaring to say the least. I have not participated much in this savage tier because I have felt the role getting stale. Healers need more to do in terms of rotation, even savage does not free you from the one dps experience, friend.

According to achievements you haven't cleared a single Savage tier this entire expansion. No disrespect, I should have clarified more that just participating in that content, but you're not the crowd I'm talking about. High level healer play, introducing a combo and additional DPS moves to track would make the job almost comically complicated. Little additions/interaction changes as someone else mentioned would be fine, even welcome, but I keep seeing people ask for full-on rotations and I think it's frankly insane.

[Kazmarek]

Well I was in support but if the stance we're taking now is "we need to make others less interesting so I can feel more interesting," then I'm not interested in supporting.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Well I was in support but if the stance we're taking now is "we need to make others less interesting so I can feel more interesting," then I'm not interested in supporting.

How is never being in any real threat of dying or needing a healer interesting?

[GoatOfWar]

So, speaking from purely a warrior standpoint, I don't think the solution to making healers more interesting/more impactful is to remove a lot of sustain from other jobs, but specifically, of course, warrior. On the topic of job identity, warrior actually has one. As has been said before, it's "too angry to die." If you take away the "to die" part, you're just left with "angry," which is... certainly not nearly as appealing. Making the other tanks more like warrior in terms of sustain was probably questionable, although I do agree with the buff they gave living dead, because an invuln where you pop it and die anyway is dumb.

That's all to say, the correct solution to making anything more interesting is never going to be to make other things less interesting.

This is the circular logic that Warriors use to maintain the status quo.
''Don't nerf, nerfs are bad''
''Don't buff, buffs are bad''

And if that doesnt work.. ''Muh job identity'' After you've already cannibalised every single tank identity.
There is no niche in the tank role anymore. No buffs, no nerfs.. So in other words, keep things as they are.

If Warrior is a problem, does the *entire* game have to warp around it?
Just nerf Warrior, it's not a big deal. Warrior is not special. If Job identities of the other tanks didn't matter either, neither should Warrior's.

[Kazmarek]

This is the circular logic that Warrior use to maintain the status quo.
''Don't nerf, nerfs are bad''
''Don't buff, buffs are bad''

And if that doesnt work.. ''Muh job identity'' After you've already cannibalised every single tank identity.
There is no niche in the tank role anymore. No buffs, no nerfs.. So in other words, keep things as they are.

If Warrior is a problem, does the *entire* game have to warp around it?
Just nerf Warrior, it's not a big deal. Warrior is not special. If Job identities of the other tanks didn't matter either, neither should Warrior's.

Warrior isn't a problem though. Healers have the problem. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," y'know?

[Katish]

According to achievements you haven't cleared a single Savage tier this entire expansion. No disrespect, I should have clarified more that just participating in that content, but you're not the crowd I'm talking about. High level healer play, introducing a combo and additional DPS moves to track would make the job almost comically complicated. Little additions/interaction changes as someone else mentioned would be fine, even welcome, but I keep seeing people ask for full-on rotations and I think it's frankly insane.

I have not cleared a savage tier (true) because my statics would disband prior (that is the nature of savage statics), and this is usually due to real life issues. That has nothing to do with your argument though because you said clearing on-content savage, which I most certainly have. Personally, I don't continue savage runs after they, my group, disbands because I like to do content with a select few people straight through. In terms of difficulty, I have done one of the arguably harder savages and cleared it on patch if you look at the Phoinix clear lel, and even then it didn't change glarification. If you say my opinion does not reflect the few people you bring up, then clearly you are just moving the goal post for "X" reasons.

I think full on rotations are fine...you have so many heals to cover yourself that you need only press the one heal (oGCD) and continue doing what you are doing. I think two to three buttons you press consistently would be absolutely okay to add.