#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Evergrey]

I view Warrior more like a Berserker. They can fight through pain to the bitter end, press on and remain standing beyond normal expectations, but at some point, those injuries can and should catch up to them. I don't think any class should have immortality as part of their identity.

Maybe the Warriors self heal should be temporary ones.
They can survive damage others wouldn't due to their Berserker nature.
But they can't go on forever and that temporary self heal could end up killing them if they don't get a healer to heal them before the temp health runs out.

At least this is how I remember some games depicting a Berserkers endurance.
Self sustain but after a while that extra health goes away. And if the player would end up at a negativ health-pool after they'll die.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Maybe the Warriors self heal should be temporary ones.
They can survive damage others wouldn't due to their Berserker nature.
But they can't go on forever and that temporary self heal could end up killing them if they don't get a healer to heal them before the temp health runs out.

As a Trinity game, no class should be able to just operate independently from having a team, and the Warrior is the worst offender of this - probably followed by Paladin. They definitely need something to tailor their self-healing.

(At least when I'm on Paladin I get yelled at to stop using Clemency as it's a GCD time waster lol).

[Kazmarek]

Well I was in support but if the stance we're taking now is "we need to make others less interesting so I can feel more interesting," then I'm not interested in supporting.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Well I was in support but if the stance we're taking now is "we need to make others less interesting so I can feel more interesting," then I'm not interested in supporting.

How is never being in any real threat of dying or needing a healer interesting?

[Kazmarek]

How is never being in any real threat of dying or needing a healer interesting?

Because when I queue into something and get a healer that has exactly 0 clue what they're doing despite having all level 90 healers, I know I'm going to be able to get through it, even if I have to drag them kicking and screaming.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Because when I queue into something and get a healer that has exactly 0 clue what they're doing despite having all level 90 healers, I know I'm going to be able to get through it, even if I have to drag them kicking and screaming.

So what you are saying is players shouldn't have to hold healers to any standards whatsoever, and that instances should essentially be able to be completed healer-free.

The answer to this issue is not Warriors invaliding the healer role entirely so the presence of a healer doesn't matter. In this scenerio you described, what should happen is the group fails. That healer then needs to evaluate their gameplay and develop some skills. Then the group replaces that healer with someone who actually heals so you can finish.

[Kazmarek]

So what you are saying is players shouldn't have to hold healers to any standards whatsoever, and that instances should essentially be able to be completed healer-free.

Yeah, pretty much. A lot of healers I meet in roulettes are terrible anyway.

[Evergrey]

As a Trinity game, no class should be able to just operate independently from having a team, and the Warrior is the worst offender of this - probably followed by Paladin. They definitely need something to tailor their self-healing.

(At least when I'm on Paladin I get yelled at to stop using Clemency as it's a GCD time waster lol).

Indeed.
In other games, a tank without the support of a healer would drop dead within the first 10-30 seconds of a boss fight.
I do hoever think that the "problems" with healers and tanks in FFXIV is caused due to SE finding ways to make them less stressful for players to play as.
Years ago there was this huge problem with people complaining about the stress and anxiety caused from playing those roles.
So I don't know how SE would be able to make them more important without causing the same problems to the players.

A lot of players in FFXIV enjoy this game because it's not as stressful like other MMOs out there.