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    Ayalu's Avatar
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    Ayalu Jeji
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    Scholar Lv 100
    we all know almost all classes have a design problem in one way or the other and in general with over simplification and homogenisation.
    In case of Healer we face the problem that we are a Role that doesnt have a lot DPS options as our task isnt to do damage much damage which inutself Solo openworld play aside would be fine.
    BUT we are a Role that gets mostly active when mistakes and error happen while the game gets design with a utter fear of fail points, expressed by overly strong tanks and more accesible heals on non-healers. This is a problem in design.

    I wouldnt even say we need more Damage abilties BUT we need something else than just spamming the Attack button.
    Logicaly would be something like keeping up meaningfull buffs and other utility mechanics. But the utter streamlining made most forms of abilties that dont directly do damage, reduce damage or revert damage or buff damage non existent.

    Astrologian could have proper 6 different cards with 6 different buff/effects, i know a novel concept.
    White Mage could maybe place more Elemental Liturgies with different effects.
    Scholar - is a war strategist so maybe they could have a ability shares buffs from allies wich synergizes with other supporter. And other idea would be more placeable minigation and utility fields. When Picto can have buff fields then so can the Healers.
    Sage is suppose to be the offensive Healer so grant them there DoT gameplay that also stacks.
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    Last edited by Ayalu; 08-08-2024 at 12:00 PM.

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    AmiableApkallu's Avatar
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    Tatanpa Nononpa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    To me, you know what's absolutely damning? Telling healers they need to learn full DPS rotations to be successful.
    Well, you should be pleased to know that's a beautiful strawman argument. I've yet to see anyone who actually understands FFXIV's encounters and job design say that healers need to or ought to learn "a full DPS rotation."

    It's also been that way throughout the entirety of the FF franchise, where healer roles - usually WHM - have at most 1 or 2 spells that actually do damage.
    The OG FF1 White Mage/Wizard could wield hammers, daggers, and the strongest sword in the game. They had access to Harm 1-4, Dia 1-4, and Holy. Which is to say nothing of the fact that FFXIV's own lore puts White Mages in a position of contributing to a bona fide calamity. Or the fact that FFIV's Rosa had Aim, a unique damage skill. Or the fact that FFX's Yuna was a summoner.
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    Valid points. Rosa was a hybrid, as were many others. Though I know not the point I suddenly miss ninja's having throw abilities.

    I think they struggle to figure out identities for classes that won't lead to massive upkeep increases on how much thought needs to be put into balancing.
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    Garnet and Eiko ,both FF9 Characters, were also a mix of Summoner and White Mage.
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    We could even go as far as mentioning Selphie from FF8 and Aerith from FF7. Their limit breaks were more so for healing, but the materia / junction systems allowed them to cast Black Magic or even Ultima if they really wanted to.

    FF6 pretty much had Terra and Celes as the natural magic users without learning from Espers and they even had fire, ice, Ultima and Meteor. Strago could count too as a "healer" using Blue Magic (Lore) and having Grand Delta (Train).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigore View Post
    We could even go as far as mentioning Selphie from FF8 and Aerith from FF7. Their limit breaks were more so for healing, but the materia / junction systems allowed them to cast Black Magic or even Ultima if they really wanted to.

    FF6 pretty much had Terra and Celes as the natural magic users without learning from Espers and they even had fire, ice, Ultima and Meteor. Strago could count too as a "healer" using Blue Magic (Lore) and having Grand Delta (Train).
    God I'd kill for a Celes / Rune Knight class.
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Healers in FF's history have basically always been Hybrids, because they needed something else than just Cure and Heal spells.

    And in cases like the Tactics games and FF 5, you made your own hybrid class by giving some other class White Magic, or a White Mage some other skill set.
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    Xenovia Azanai
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    I think I might go back on strike after the terrible dungeons runs I have had as a healer
    3rd time this week I have had a Paladin as my tank and each time they use Requiescat to heal themselves instead of doing damage. Yes I am healing them but they feel the need to keep themself above 90% hp apparently.
    So from now on any Paladin Using Requiescat to clemency or just use clemency in general. you can die for all I care, I will do the damage.
    Healers should get damage if tanks are just going to do the job anyways. Fuck tanks
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    @ Xenoviastar

    I get that you don't feel needed from the Paladins being "blue healers" like Warriors, but what you are asking from them is unreasonable. Requiescat or their upgraded version Imperator procs their hard hitting spell combo. They got it last expansion during Endwalker because they needed to have burst damage of some sort to be considered for the 2 minute meta. By asking them not to pop Requiescat, you are also asking them to deal bad damage compared to the other tanks. If you are only talking about Clemency spam at 90% HP, then I would sympathize more with your case.
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    Sage Cologne
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    MK4 to hard

    MK4 is just to hard. I have seen all the streams saying DT raids are not to hard and just get GUD, but I have 3 alts doing MK4 3 times a week and I can't get it right .... the phase where 1/4th of the room is left and we have to go back and forth is impossible ... Can anyone provide any tips ..I'm so lost on it and I play healer and when the healer dies it's game over .. I need help. (cries)
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