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    Quote Originally Posted by SamLeens View Post
    Casuals play longer while raiders often stop playing the game as soon as the savage or ultimate content is done.
    We both know this is just anecdotal. You can just as easily say casuals are not as invested so they leave quicker to do other things. It's all made up assumptions that I'll call out when I see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by SamLeens View Post
    You think that healers are "casual" but i know ppl who say that healers are too complex for them. they go and play a dd and only do 1,2 ,3 and are happy with it. if you are lucky they found the 4th button for aoe dmg, but thats really rare. they will clear every single story dungeon and normal trail with 1, 2, 3 and no one cares.
    Yeah, so if they are going to be bad at the game anyway, why not just let them be bad at classes the rest of us can enjoy. People in this thread that are defending healer design cannot make up there mind. Healer classes simultaneously need to remain casual, but you also need to play them at the highest difficulty to experience them properly. It's nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by SamLeens View Post
    now you think its smart to give a healer a rota. why should a class that works on demand have a fixed rota when the dmg intake is not a fixed rota? And i mean the other 3 or 7 ppl in your party that spontaneously might die or need healing. why do i need the "oh no. dont get hurt. dont die! im in my 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 rotation! i dont have time for that! Other healer, do something!" and the other healer will tell you that they dont wanna interrupt their rotation either.
    Healers already have a fixed rotation, it's 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 [...] . The majority of healing that players do is OGCD as well so it will not interfere with any rotation, just as it doesn't do that now. People don't say this about tanks. "Omg I can't swap because I need to do my rotation!" There is 0 outcry anywhere that "Tanks need to be simplified further because they need to press buttons to mitigate and do tank swaps". Again, it's really funny to me and reveals how bad the majority of these arguments that pop-up when discussing healers and not anything else in this game. You can always identify when people are making it up as they are going along when they act like healers exist in some of kind of vacuum and as if we don't have literally 10 years worth of content, jobs added to the game, and experience to evaluate.

    Quote Originally Posted by SamLeens View Post
    "only healers have boring content bc they dont have so many buttons to press". i cant agree. imagine even as a gunbreaker i was often bored. i switched to healer becuase they can react spontaneously and dont have to follow a boring rotation.
    There is nothing to react to in solo encounters 100% of the time, and there is nothing to react to in dungeons like 95% of the time in my experience, and even then it's always solved by pressing 1 button.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnconfirmedCat View Post
    We both know this is just anecdotal. You can just as easily say casuals are not as invested so they leave quicker to do other things. It's all made up assumptions that I'll call out when I see it.

    Yeah, so if they are going to be bad at the game anyway, why not just let them be bad at classes the rest of us can enjoy. People in this thread that are defending healer design cannot make up there mind. Healer classes simultaneously need to remain casual, but you also need to play them at the highest difficulty to experience them properly. It's nonsense.

    Healers already have a fixed rotation, it's 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 [...] . The majority of healing that players do is OGCD as well so it will not interfere with any rotation, just as it doesn't do that now. People don't say this about tanks. "Omg I can't swap because I need to do my rotation!" There is 0 outcry anywhere that "Tanks need to be simplified further because they need to press buttons to mitigate and do tank swaps". Again, it's really funny to me and reveals how bad the majority of these arguments that pop-up when discussing healers and not anything else in this game. You can always identify when people are making it up as they are going along when they act like healers exist in some of kind of vacuum and as if we don't have literally 10 years worth of content, jobs added to the game, and experience to evaluate.

    There is nothing to react to in solo encounters 100% of the time, and there is nothing to react to in dungeons like 95% of the time in my experience, and even then it's always solved by pressing 1 button.
    there's no point in discussing this further. i make assumptions, you make assumptions. different experiences lead to different opinions.
    i included the players who wouldn't voluntarily play a healer because they don't like that form of hybrid, or because it's too much to ask, and those people won't agree with you.
    all i can tell you about tanks is that you're making assumptions because you can't be sure that there are no complaints anywhere on the internet about how tanks play.
    you only see that you play healers with only 2 dmg skills, which still makes me wonder, and that's it. I'm not even sure if you realize that any class, regardless of how many buttons the rotation has, can be boring. My boredom does not depend on how many buttons i can press but thats all you talk about.
    it remains the case that not everyone shares your opinion. i have played healers for years and tanks for years. both can be boring and exciting for me and currently tanks are more boring than healers.

    Ive heard your opinion. i don't understand it because i am not able to put myself in your position, but i accept your opinion.
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