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  1. #1551
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    dtv20's Avatar
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    Kazuma Haynes
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    Sargatanas
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    Scholar Lv 90
    For every game, my go to class is healer/support. Always has been. And since ShadowBringers I rarely play healer on FF14 anymore. The class has become stale. These Dawntrail changes just solidify the death of healer for me.
    Unless they make some drastic changes, I don't see healers coming out of this alive.

    Expect longer queue times, and the eventual death of the game as it will become a healer less mmo.
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  2. #1552
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KikiTia View Post
    Yeah and at least two of those years were spent dealing with the COVID pandemic. You know, when they had to restructure their entire work system to meet deadlines and safety protocols, moving professional equipment into homes, communicating over text and call, all the while dealing with a surprise influx of WoW players that strained the servers to their limit and concluding a story 10 years in the making, while also starting to think about the game's direction in the next 10 years. They're human beings, not vending machines, have some respect. At least we got any acknowledgement at all, there's many teams who'd ignore the issue til people gave up and stopped trying to change it.
    Where did I say they're vending machines? Where did I disrespect the developers directly?

    I'm saying that the excuse is unacceptable. So COVID took 2 years, what about the other 3? The whole pandemic thing has settled down throughout Endwalker, so why weren't they thinking about the future of the jobs during the time they thought about the future of the game? All of these are valid questions and 3 years is still a very long time, I don't think they were so busy that they couldn't spare a single thought for job evolution.

    I don't think they should be given free credit for only potentially resolving an issue 7 years after it was raised, other companies being more deaf to feedback doesn't make that any better.
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    Last edited by Aravell; 06-13-2024 at 10:19 PM.

  3. #1553
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    Merrigan Gilgard
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SamLeens View Post
    I was sharing my experience and my thoughts. No player names, no mean words, no harrassing, nothing. Funny memorys you could say. The term means nothing to you and is used as a synonym for "bad players" in your universe but not in mine. A casual player, in my universe, simply doesn't go as deeply into all the game mechanics as a midcore or hardcore player. As a casual myself, i deny the accusation that i have insulted myself.
    Really? Older videogame standards? Oh my.. you do you with your older standards and i do my casual stuff.
    You confirm what I was saying: the term doesn't mean anything, and is therefore unsuitable for a proper discussion.

    This is a discussion topic: you can't come along, throw out a vague term, and then pretend to be outraged when someone points out that the term is vague.
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  4. #1554
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    Lily D'kryl
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    Shiva
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    Dark Knight Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by WeakestZenosEnjoyer View Post
    We haven't even started yet, this is just how pathetic the current state of healers is that nobody is playing it regardless.

    We're also not obligated to fill your queues, we pay subscriptions too.
    Well, i have done enough community service (i.e. filling healer queues) already, so personally i haven't done any healing for the past week. Tanking or DPS is fine.
    But ye, currently there's probably not enough healers as is, due to a lot of people potentially being unsubbed. I remember seeing Tank in Need and still getting instant queue on a healer before, while tank queue can take a few minutes.
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    Sometimes rumors are just... rumors.

  5. #1555
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    The feedback on here from the tank and DPS mains just goes further to show that they barely even see healers as classes. They aren’t there to be the main job of someone’s WOL, they aren’t meant to be powerful or respected. They are there to frictionlessly ensure that everyone else gets to have fun
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  6. #1556
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    Luesarim's Avatar
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    Liana Dorett
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    Diabolos
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    Dancer Lv 90
    I am a healer main.
    I think it is neat that an EXPERIENCED team can do this with such a combination of classes.
    I think it is nice that in this game, as a healer, I can also pew pew pew.
    I see nothing wrong with this. It does not effect how I feel as a healer. I still love being a healer. I am confident in my place in this game.
    I play to have fun so my only response was originally going to be....So?
    How other people play this game does not effect how I play the game.
    Not all healers feel the same way so please don't speak for us all.
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  7. #1557
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    Cinnamon Maruhira
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    Famfrit
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Luesarim View Post
    I am a healer main.
    I think it is neat that an EXPERIENCED team can do this with such a combination of classes.
    I think it is nice that in this game, as a healer, I can also pew pew pew.
    I see nothing wrong with this. It does not effect how I feel as a healer. I still love being a healer. I am confident in my place in this game.
    I play to have fun so my only response was originally going to be....So?
    How other people play this game does not effect how I play the game.
    Not all healers feel the same way so please don't speak for us all.
    Why'd you set your main class to dancer
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  8. #1558
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    Scrappy Moonlord
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    Halicarnassus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    ... I'm saying that the excuse is unacceptable. So COVID took 2 years, what about the other 3?...

    ...I don't think they should be given free credit for only potentially resolving an issue 7 years after it was raised, other companies being more deaf to feedback doesn't make that any better.
    They had time to rework Monk again and add more sustain to all tanks but they can't fix an entire 1/4th of a standard party so it isn't so unengaging it's become a pipeline of bad healers AND bad tanks being carried through content, please understand.
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    Last edited by WeakestZenosEnjoyer; 06-13-2024 at 10:13 PM.

  9. #1559
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    M'aary Zeleste
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    The amount of platinum assmad in this thread is great. Keep it coming.
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  10. #1560
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luesarim View Post
    How other people play this game does not effect how I play the game.
    Unfortunately, we are not able to edit our job kits with talents or skills, so we all share the same abilities. You have the same buttons wether you play as a healer in savage or a healer in dungeon roulettes, so devs remove or add abilities to everybody irregardless of their personal tastes or level of experience.

    So in a way, it DOES matter how other people play this game. Veterans will see the kits adapted to less skilled players. New healers will see the kits adapted to higher level situations. This often leaves the kits in the lowest common denominator point of design that nobody likes.

    Also consider how having a competent party impacts healer gameplay. Competent party dodges all aoes, does mechanics correctly? You no longer have to press your healer buttons. (Not that the amount of unavoidable healing justifies our healing kits either)

    Quote Originally Posted by Luesarim View Post
    I think it is neat that an EXPERIENCED team can do this with such a combination of classes.
    Please watch the video. They commit several mistakes, don't play optimally, two of the dps die twice to avoidable mechanics and the party get several stacks of vuln. They don't wipe once. Their jobs have enough self sustain to carry them through the avoidable damage and deaths they take. Maybe the players are experienced, by they are hardly playing at a super high level in that run.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luesarim View Post
    I think it is nice that in this game, as a healer, I can also pew pew pew.
    Healer forum also likes this. They don't like their "pew pew pew" being this repetitive though. That's a big point of their complaints. That's why they ask for more "Interesting" filler time buttons.
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    Last edited by GrimGale; 06-13-2024 at 10:25 PM.

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