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    Luesarim's Avatar
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    Liana Dorett
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    I am a healer main.
    I think it is neat that an EXPERIENCED team can do this with such a combination of classes.
    I think it is nice that in this game, as a healer, I can also pew pew pew.
    I see nothing wrong with this. It does not effect how I feel as a healer. I still love being a healer. I am confident in my place in this game.
    I play to have fun so my only response was originally going to be....So?
    How other people play this game does not effect how I play the game.
    Not all healers feel the same way so please don't speak for us all.
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    Cinnamon Maruhira
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luesarim View Post
    I am a healer main.
    I think it is neat that an EXPERIENCED team can do this with such a combination of classes.
    I think it is nice that in this game, as a healer, I can also pew pew pew.
    I see nothing wrong with this. It does not effect how I feel as a healer. I still love being a healer. I am confident in my place in this game.
    I play to have fun so my only response was originally going to be....So?
    How other people play this game does not effect how I play the game.
    Not all healers feel the same way so please don't speak for us all.
    Why'd you set your main class to dancer
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luesarim View Post
    How other people play this game does not effect how I play the game.
    Unfortunately, we are not able to edit our job kits with talents or skills, so we all share the same abilities. You have the same buttons wether you play as a healer in savage or a healer in dungeon roulettes, so devs remove or add abilities to everybody irregardless of their personal tastes or level of experience.

    So in a way, it DOES matter how other people play this game. Veterans will see the kits adapted to less skilled players. New healers will see the kits adapted to higher level situations. This often leaves the kits in the lowest common denominator point of design that nobody likes.

    Also consider how having a competent party impacts healer gameplay. Competent party dodges all aoes, does mechanics correctly? You no longer have to press your healer buttons. (Not that the amount of unavoidable healing justifies our healing kits either)

    Quote Originally Posted by Luesarim View Post
    I think it is neat that an EXPERIENCED team can do this with such a combination of classes.
    Please watch the video. They commit several mistakes, don't play optimally, two of the dps die twice to avoidable mechanics and the party get several stacks of vuln. They don't wipe once. Their jobs have enough self sustain to carry them through the avoidable damage and deaths they take. Maybe the players are experienced, by they are hardly playing at a super high level in that run.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luesarim View Post
    I think it is nice that in this game, as a healer, I can also pew pew pew.
    Healer forum also likes this. They don't like their "pew pew pew" being this repetitive though. That's a big point of their complaints. That's why they ask for more "Interesting" filler time buttons.
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    Last edited by GrimGale; 06-13-2024 at 10:25 PM.

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    PintyMcEars's Avatar
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    Azara Stormleaf
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Unfortunately, we are not able to edit our job kits with talents or skills, so we all share the same abilities. You have the same buttons wether you play as a healer in savage or a healer in dungeon roulettes, so devs remove or add abilities to everybody irregardless of their personal tastes or level of experience.

    So in a way, it DOES matter how other people play this game. Veterans will see the kits adapted to less skilled players. New healers will see the kits adapted to higher level situations. This often leaves the kits in the lowest common denominator point of design that nobody likes.

    Also consider how having a competent party impacts healer gameplay. Competent party dodges all aoes, does mechanics correctly? You no longer have to press your healer buttons. (Not that the amount of unavoidable healing justifies our healing kits either)



    Please watch the video. They commit several mistakes, don't play optimally, two of the dps die twice to avoidable mechanics and the party get several stacks of vuln. They don't wipe once. Their jobs have enough self sustain to carry them through the avoidable damage and deaths they take. Maybe the players are experienced, by they are hardly playing at a super high level in that run.



    Healer forum also likes this. They don't like their "pew pew pew" being this repetitive though. That's a big point of their complaints. That's why they ask for more "Interesting" filler time buttons.
    dps died...something a healer would prevent...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PintyMcEars View Post
    dps died...something a healer would prevent...
    They did die to avoidable damage though. None of the unavoidable damage was enough to kill them ever. Unavoidable damage is the one healers are supposed to engage with as the baseline healing mechanic. If your party members dodge the very clearly avoidable attacks you are still left just not healing.

    Also consider the tank could have easily healed them or mitigate the damage (at no cost for their dps) they would have recieved but he didn't.
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    Last edited by GrimGale; 06-13-2024 at 10:35 PM.

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    Eizen Aifread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luesarim View Post
    I think it is nice that in this game, as a healer, I can also pew pew pew.
    People here are suggesting to have more varieties of pew pew pew, it aligns perfectly what you already liked , no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luesarim View Post
    I see nothing wrong with this. It does not effect how I feel as a healer. I still love being a healer. I am confident in my place in this game.
    OP made this thread in response of healer losing healer place. This thread basically fights for your sake, does it not?
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    Fray Margrace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aword3213 View Post
    OP made this thread in response of healer losing healer place. This thread basically fights for your sake, does it not?
    It was the first dungeon of the expansion during a media tour. Of course it's going to be easy. Why don't we have this debate after the expansion launches and not before we have even played the classes ourselves?
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    It is every single content since begining of EW. Xeno only put the matter (existing since several years now) under the light with his media tour video.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by KikiTia View Post
    It was the first dungeon of the expansion during a media tour. Of course it's going to be easy. Why don't we have this debate after the expansion launches and not before we have even played the classes ourselves?
    Sir, Holminster ain't switching, and Zot would like to have a word with you.
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by KikiTia View Post
    It was the first dungeon of the expansion during a media tour. Of course it's going to be easy. Why don't we have this debate after the expansion launches and not before we have even played the classes ourselves?
    We already had "this debate" twice. Trust in the devs is at a rather low point at this moment.
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