#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Teno]

I've read a bunch of japanese posts after a similar thread was made on their forums, and they seem much more split than here (which, for many of us, seems alien). With english forums not being read, while theirs look like they are much more likely to be (judging by their moderation), odds are higher that posting on their forums will yield more results. I use deepl for translation, it does a good job.

[Plushy]

I've read a bunch of japanese posts after a similar thread was made on their forums, and they seem much more split than here (which, for many of us, seems alien). With english forums not being read, while theirs look like they are much more likely to be (judging by their moderation), odds are higher that posting on their forums will yield more results. I use deepl for translation, it does a good job.

I read some of your posts on the japanese forums and all I have to say is (and I'm not saying this disrespectfully or rudely) I think you need to respect their opinions more and try not to be so aggressive because they don't agree with the NA/EU players as a whole.
Your wording towards them was really pushy and forced, it sounded like you tried to make them feel silly just because they don't mind the 1 attack and 1 dot.

If you want people to sympathize with EN players worries about healers you can't bully, push or force your opinions on people and yell or be disrespectful towards them because they don't agree.
If you want to keep posting on the JP forums please try to be more respectful because most EN players are not going to post there, you're making us seem really aggressive and pushy just because they didn't wholly agree and you'll actually just give the healer strike a negative outlook because then the JP players might think "wow all those westerns are really rude".

If you can't control your emotions I highly suggest just don't post on the JP forums because you'll just do more harm than good, just think...why would the devs listen to EN players if they're just going to lash out if someone doesn't agree with them?

If you want to know why they like the current play style, ask them respectfully why do you like it? get their prospective, learn why they like it.
Please don't say "wow so you like this braindead 1111112111111???? no wonder nothing changes!"
So again, please respect peoples opinions and especially if you're going to post in foreign section and you don't speak their language.

[TheForce]

@Teno

With all due respect. I saw many of your, and others' replies from the EN forum get removed by the JP forum for being rude/disrespectful/etc. and even as I've been reading through a lot of the replies on this thread, I'm seeing the same disrespectful & rude attitudes almost constantly.

Personally, I'm not on board with this movement as I believe that healers' priority should always be healing, and I disagree fundamentally with the "green dps" idea that some people think should apply to healers. I also heal, and I nearly always find it to be very enjoyable and engaging. Depending on the group, duty you're doing, the experience will vary, but I believe that's an inherent facet of the role, and not just the healer role, any role. I've even seen groups complete content without any Tanks before, just having the party composed of DPS and the healer(s).

For a large amount of the playerbase healers will be needed and they will be cherished, because a large amount of the playerbase isn't equipped with gear at or near the maximum iLvl along with materia, and they will totally understandably make frequent mistakes while playing (such as standing in AOEs, forgetting a mechanic, etc.) because they're human, and healers are needed for this.

Also, to go back to that green dps belief for a second, what makes me even more averse to it is the fact that I've seen with my own eyes how much toxicity has sprouted from it.
It's now become commonplace on this forum/Reddit/etc. to ridicule and frankly, bully other players because they don't agree with the idea that they should be prioritizing DPS if they're not playing a DPS. It's now become commonplace for people to perpetuate the untrue belief that "In Final Fantasy 14, every class is a DPS. If you don't like this, play WoW", even though Yoshida-san, the director of the game, has made it clear in the past that healers aren't really expected to DPS in this game (which, was met with rudeness and callousness by many on Reddit upon learning this) and now, with the changes made in ShB and beyond, the game has made it even more clear that healers aren't dps, which many people are once again responding to with poor attitudes, vitriol, and toxicity.

I've also witnessed people harassing Tanks should they choose to meld Tenacity, an option the game gives to them, while these individuals condescendingly tell these Tanks they're "bad", and countless other insults because they don't prioritize DPS.

Please, to anybody reading this, if you decide to go to the JP forum, do not become aggressive or rude towards anybody who holds a different opinion than you. It is absolutely fine for you to have a suggestion about the game, but trying to force it onto others while brushing aside their own feelings and viewpoints about the topic will easily make people upset and uncomfortable.

[Supersnow845]

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And you’ll find that people are fine with doing more healing……..but they won’t increase healing requirements. We spend 99% of our time doing DPS because the game gives us nothing else to do and savage DPS checks enforce healers doing like 18% of the raids total damage

What else are we supposed to do. We’ve asked for more healing and they won’t give it to us. Asking for more complex DPS at least is way easier to implement

[Rozeee]

Personally, I'm not on board with this movement as I believe that healers' priority should always be healing, and I disagree fundamentally with the "green dps" idea that some people think should apply to healers. I also heal, and I nearly always find it to be very enjoyable and engaging. Depending on the group, duty you're doing, the experience will vary, but I believe that's an inherent facet of the role, and not just the healer role, any role. I've even seen groups complete content without any Tanks before, just having the party composed of DPS and the healer(s).

For a large amount of the playerbase healers will be needed and they will be cherished, because a large amount of the playerbase isn't equipped with gear at or near the maximum iLvl along with materia, and they will totally understandably make frequent mistakes while playing (such as standing in AOEs, forgetting a mechanic, etc.) because they're human, and healers are needed for this.

Also, to go back to that green dps belief for a second, what makes me even more averse to it is the fact that I've seen with my own eyes how much toxicity has sprouted from it.
It's now become commonplace on this forum/Reddit/etc. to ridicule and frankly, bully other players because they don't agree with the idea that they should be prioritizing DPS if they're not playing a DPS. It's now become commonplace for people to perpetuate the untrue belief that "In Final Fantasy 14, every class is a DPS. If you don't like this, play WoW", even though Yoshida-san, the director of the game, has made it clear in the past that healers aren't really expected to DPS in this game (which, was met with rudeness and callousness by many on Reddit upon learning this) and now, with the changes made in ShB and beyond, the game has made it even more clear that healers aren't dps, which many people are once again responding to with poor attitudes, vitriol, and toxicity.

I agree that that people shouldn't be rude in whatever forum they are in, but I disagree with the green DPS point. If healers aren't supposed to DPS then the game shouldn't treat us as if we're supposed to DPS. You cannot pass DPS checks on savage onwards without both healer DPS-ing. I don't personally care about which direction the development team adopts, but to say that this is a "mentality" or an "idea" is not an accurate representation. It's just fact that the game wants us to DPS.

[TheDustyOne]

Also, to go back to that green dps belief for a second, what makes me even more averse to it is the fact that I've seen with my own eyes how much toxicity has sprouted from it.
It's now become commonplace on this forum/Reddit/etc. to ridicule and frankly, bully other players because they don't agree with the idea that they should be prioritizing DPS if they're not playing a DPS. It's now become commonplace for people to perpetuate the untrue belief that "In Final Fantasy 14, every class is a DPS. If you don't like this, play WoW", even though Yoshida-san, the director of the game, has made it clear in the past that healers aren't really expected to DPS in this game (which, was met with rudeness and callousness by many on Reddit upon learning this) and now, with the changes made in ShB and beyond, the game has made it even more clear that healers aren't dps, which many people are once again responding to with poor attitudes, vitriol, and toxicity.

Because mathematically it's wrong for healers to not be DPSing in Extreme and Savage, otherwise enrage hits and no one clears. What Yoshi-P has said and what the game is designed for are currently in conflict. The removal of the damage buttons has led to an adverse effect where people have had a playstyle they enjoyed ripped from them, and asking for it back is somehow "disrespectful"? What about those who decided to have it ripped from them? Weren't they being disrespectful? Why does it only go one way?

[ty_taurus]

With all due respect. I saw many of your, and others' replies from the EN forum get removed by the JP forum for being rude/disrespectful/etc. and even as I've been reading through a lot of the replies on this thread, I'm seeing the same disrespectful & rude attitudes almost constantly.

I don't know who specifically other than two people have been rude over in JP, but I can tell you one of those was going to JP to trash talk the people in favor of the strike. The other person... That person seems more of someone on their own agenda and is kind of obnoxious. I would just ask that you hold the individual accountable for their actions rather than the group. No one is telling people they need to go harass JP forums or condoning that.

[Turtledeluxe]

I don't know who specifically other than two people have been rude over in JP, but I can tell you one of those was going to JP to trash talk the people in favor of the strike. The other person... That person seems more of someone on their own agenda and is kind of obnoxious. I would just ask that you hold the individual accountable for their actions rather than the group. No one is telling people they need to go harass JP forums or condoning that.

Yes. I'm getting a little tired of people waltzing in and claiming pro strike users are calling people names or being otherwise rude. This is the least rude game criticism topic possibly ever. The users being most rude and condescending are the critics, no question.

How about if you want to write an essay defaming us you back it up with a direct quote or a screenshot? Otherwise you will just be respectfully disregarded.

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You still haven't seen the media tour footage I suppose? I feel like we discussed it 50 pages back. Perhaps you forgot. Dawntrail has been played, very casually, and the first dungeon is the same as always...tank fodder.

You could make an argument that it isn't finalized or doesn't represent the rest of the expansion, even though those are both highly unlikely.

[ty_taurus]

Yes. I'm getting a little tired of people waltzing in and claiming pro strike users are calling people names or being otherwise rude. This is the least rude game criticism topic possibly ever. The users being most rude and condescending are the critics, no question.

How about if you want to write an essay defaming us you back it up with a direct quote or a screenshot? Otherwise you will just be respectfully disregarded.

I've definitely had some intense back and forths before with some people (Hi, Ren, how you doin?) But in this thread I've been very patient with people and the only time I've said anything even remotely snarky was at people who literally came in guns blazing, or lashed out at me.

[TheDustyOne]

I've definitely had some intense back and forths before with some people (Hi, Ren, how you doin?) But in this thread I've been very patient with people and the only time I've said anything even remotely snarky was at people who literally came in guns blazing, or lashed out at me.

I know I've had my snarky moments, a lot of it because of people being dismissive, elitist, or regurgitating old talking points.

Despite that I at least try to point out where an argument doesn't hold up, point out double-standards, and as long as someone is cordial, or at least just neutral, I try to respond in kind. Doesn't always work, topics like this get heated, but I try to when I can.