#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Voranas]

I'm happy for healing in casual content to stay easy but I would like to bring up the issue of healers not feeling engaging to play outside of the healing buttons. Right now there isnt enough damage to warrant 100% focus on maintaining party health but equally very little to do to/think about when not healing. Pressing one DPS button continually, with a DoT every 30s does not make for a fun and engaging interaction with the jobs skills. There is very little in the way of active decision making once youve planned your heals and mit timings, this particularly makes reclears of content tiresome.

[Iedarus]

I would like you to point out where you think I've been trolling, if you don't mine.

Unless I'm misunderstanding your post, for which I apologize.

I reread your post and I do apologize for coming off harshly. I've just seen so many bad faith actors who want to keep Healers in baby mode forever that I've just shut them out as trolls. The problem is that we have tried to make ourselves heard but we've been ignored for years. Every expansion has just been us babysitting new players only for our role to be cosmetic in veteran squads. It doesn't help that each healer is just 2-1-1-1-1-1-1... and AST is still better WHM while SGE is copy paste SCH. It all shows how neglected the healer role has been by everyone. Seraphism was the final straw for the SCH community.

[Senri_95]

In my 4 years of playing I never bothered to make an account on this forum till now, just to add my name to the petition.

I really don't understand how the developers can be so out of touch with the community. I thought it was bad in the past, but I don't think they've managed to disappoint this many people (on this massive scale) so far with just the job updates. It's not just us healers suffering, many DPS players are upset with the changes they're implementing (look at BLM for example; SE adding fun stuff to BLM in Endwalker, only to take all of it away from them now and restricting BLM to a singular rotation, effectively taking away non-standard (transpose) rotations).

I for one would really like it too when they give us back the dps spells that they took away from the healers. I started playing during Stormblood and remember WHM having an AoE Aero. I was really bad at the game back then but managed to clear content (including delta-alphascape savages) without pressing my AoE aero as much as I should have. Same goes with SCH, I almost never pressed the AoE dot. So I don't understand the argument of simplifying (really: stripping any sort of difficulty from jobs) for the sake of making the jobs "accessible to everyone". The jobs will still be accessible to everyone, it's just that some people won't play them perfectly. It's not like the majority of players play healers perfectly right now anyway, even with the dumbed down DPS 'rotation'.

What really baffles my mind though is how tanks are getting tankier and even more self mitigation to the point where we are truly superficial (unless the tank isn't pressing their buttons/dps step into dodgeable attacks). DPS mitigations are buffed too, even if it's just the duration. So what I am wondering is, if SE is "spreading the responsibility of mitigating/healing incoming damage" to tanks and dps, why do healers not get the responsibility to contribute to damage more?

They can fix some of their obvious mistakes like ruining AST's mana economy (we are going from +1000 mana per minute to 500 mana per minute based on Draw vs. Umbral/Astral draw + no Astrodyne), ruining current dps neutral healing gcd's (Macrocosmos, Pneuma, etc.). I believe they are mistakes because WHM's Afflatus Misery has been kept dps neutral. But the fact that these mistakes were even made in the first place just show that healers are an after thought.

I just genuinely think they have been neglecting healers for too long and they aren't even taking us seriously anymore, which is really sad because I love playing healers more than anything in this game.

[Sacae]

I find it interesting that someone suggesting an additional option to getting feedback heard is getting more pushback in this thread than any of the people who are against the current sentiment in general.

I've been accused of trolling, and had aspersions cast on my motivations because I....suggested opening a dialogue with the side of the forum that the devs actually pay attention to?

[Kissune]

I find it interesting that someone suggesting an additional option to getting feedback heard is getting more pushback in this thread than any of the people who are against the current sentiment in general.

I've been accused of trolling, and had aspersions cast on my motivations because I....suggested opening a dialogue with the side of the forum that the devs actually pay attention to?

Bc showing up on the JP forums with a manifesto that has been run through google translate can very well do more harm than good, and can come off as pushy or arrogant. I'm not opposed to reaching overseas, but I'd much rather it be from someone who is bilingual than trusting a machine to capture the nuance that has to be present in a topic like this.

[TheDruidOcelot]

I find it interesting that someone suggesting an additional option to getting feedback heard is getting more pushback in this thread than any of the people who are against the current sentiment in general.

I've been accused of trolling, and had aspersions cast on my motivations because I....suggested opening a dialogue with the side of the forum that the devs actually pay attention to?

because that has been tried, cupcake. you're coming in here like you think we haven't tried that, which really makes you LOOK like a troll.

because guess what? the issues are old enough to where, yes, posting on the japanese side of the forums has been tried.

in 8 years, we've tried basically every avenue short of flying to Kyoto and camping on SQEX headquarters' lawn.

so you going "have you tried google translating a statement and putting it on the jp forum?" is not only unhelpful, but it reads as extremely low effort trolling.

[Sacae]

I reread your post and I do apologize for coming off harshly. I've just seen so many bad faith actors who want to keep Healers in baby mode forever that I've just shut them out as trolls. The problem is that we have tried to make ourselves heard but we've been ignored for years. Every expansion has just been us babysitting new players only for our role to be cosmetic in veteran squads. It doesn't help that each healer is just 2-1-1-1-1-1-1... and AST is still better WHM while SGE is copy paste SCH. It all shows how neglected the healer role has been by everyone. Seraphism was the final straw for the SCH community.

Thank you for your apology.

What I'm saying is that, you all have been trying to make yourself heard in the wrong place. While I'm sure there are a few exceptions, the devs don't look to the English forums for feedback. After years of trying and failing to get their attention, you all need to try something else.

The problem is, the Japanese player base seems content with how things are. *They* are the people you need to convince, because the devs actually listen to them. That's why I think this strike is, in the end, meaningless. Even if everyone who has, is, and will post on this thread got 10 people to agree to strike, it still won't make a dent in queue times. In the end, the strike is performative, especially as most of you are still subscribed.

[Connor]

Just a thought, but I wonder if mass healer strikes in higher content would force them to rethink things? I mean, they clearly only really care about raids anyway (‘if you want to have fun as a healer just do ultimate’), and I remember Yoshi really wanted FFXIV to get into the esports scene at one point. Maybe if people literally stopped doing things like Savage / Ultimate world first clears, the devs would finally be forced to accept how deeply unsatisfied most players are with healers.

That said, I wouldn’t expect something like that to actually happen, if not just because it’s pretty unfair to essentially punish world firsters / raiders for Yoshi-P’s negligence over healers. But still, I bet if the community tried to do their ‘world first clear’ thing and couldn’t get enough healers to actually do the content, the devs wouldn’t have a choice but to listen. But that’s like 1 part tinfoil hat theory and 1 part copium lol

[Sacae]

because that has been tried, cupcake. you're coming in here like you think we haven't tried that, which really makes you LOOK like a troll.

because guess what? the issues are old enough to where, yes, posting on the japanese side of the forums has been tried.

in 8 years, we've tried basically every avenue short of flying to Kyoto and camping on SQEX headquarters' lawn.

so you going "have you tried google translating a statement and putting it on the jp forum?" is not only unhelpful, but it reads as extremely low effort trolling.

I posted a thread a few pages back where there was genuine discussion between a (single) western poster and several Japanese posters, where quite a few agreed with the western view on healing. Then the OP stopped posting, and the thread died 5 pages or so later.

I'm not suggesting one person take on the Japanese fan base, I'm saying that you all, collectively, should open an ongoing dialogue. I've scoured the Japanese forums, and all I've found on this topic is individual posters coming in, leaving a few comments, and then abandoning the thread. Show that this is a community issue, not just individuals mad at the current state of things.

[DeathNoodles]

Thank you for your apology.

What I'm saying is that, you all have been trying to make yourself heard in the wrong place. While I'm sure there are a few exceptions, the devs don't look to the English forums for feedback. After years of trying and failing to get their attention, you all need to try something else.

The problem is, the Japanese player base seems content with how things are. *They* are the people you need to convince, because the devs actually listen to them. That's why I think this strike is, in the end, meaningless. Even if everyone who has, is, and will post on this thread got 10 people to agree to strike, it still won't make a dent in queue times. In the end, the strike is performative, especially as most of you are still subscribed.

If people decide they want to withhold contributing to the game in some way, that's up to them. An action to get a development change like this would require an effort from players on all servers all together, it's not going to happen without massive organization. I agree w this action, I'm willing to offer support to assist in coordinating efforts outside NA data centers if an effort will be made.