Healer Suggestions Megathread

[Aravell]

Something that I'd like to say while we're talking about shield healers before I totally forget about them... is the fact that I couldn't help but think the shield healers' shields are.... bland. Boring. It's either purely to shield, or nothing.

Another 'type' of shield that I don't think I've ever seen in this game is something like this:

Grants a shield that reduces damage by [x]%. Will dissipates once [y] damage worth of cure potency is absorbed.

The closest one that we currently have right now is (Pan)haima. Functionally multiple layers of barrier that let some damage pierces through the shield while still retaining the remainder. These two kinda makes me think that SE was trying to replicate just that, but probably couldn't due to spagghetified coding or any other technical reasons.

Another type of shield that would be interesting would be an unbreakable shield that blocks a certain amount of damage until it expires. Like if you have a shield of 10000 and you take 30000x3 damage, you'd only take 20000x3 damage.

I'd rather have an effect like that on some field effect like Sacred Soil rather than a regen.

[SargeTheSeagull]

Yeah the medica 2 -> barrier idea was better in my head now that I actually think about it. Speaking of new healing mechanics, i wonder what the odds are of us ever getting heal absorbs in 14. For those not in the loop, a heal absorb is basically the opposite of a barrier. Your HP stays at X, but you cannot be healed above X until you receive Y healing. It's used pretty often in WoW as a throughput check and is even thrown out by dungeon mobs. Given 14's bananas amount of heal throughput that is almost never needed, something like that could be an interesting addition.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Another type of shield that would be interesting would be an unbreakable shield that blocks a certain amount of damage until it expires. Like if you have a shield of 10000 and you take 30000x3 damage, you'd only take 20000x3 damage.

I'd rather have an effect like that on some field effect like Sacred Soil rather than a regen.

Same. While they’re not exactly a definitive change to make healers significantly engaging, I still think it’s a good way to not invalidate WHM & AST too much. I.e. ever tried to heal Eudaimon Eorzea or Normal HH as a WHM/AST while your SCH/SGE co-healer just constantly shieldbotting everything? That felt like $h!tty. Because they overstepped all my heals/regens by simply negating all damage. Macro loses its effectiveness. Lilybell straight up wouldn’t proc at all.

I’m not saying to delete all the pure shields. But please at the very least make them behave differently, not a copy of 2.0. Galvanize with different icon color vfx, etc.

[Aravell]

I've seen people saying WHM should take inspiration from SMN, so I wanted to try my hand at designing something for it:

Tempered Soul - Upgrades from Presence of Mind, has the same effect but also grants 3 lilies (yellow, green and blue)

Afflatus Earthrend - Consumes 1 yellow lily and deals damage in a straight line from you to your target, grants 'Shroud of Earth' and 1 leaf on the white lily
Shroud of Earth effect: Grants a barrier to self worth 100% of max HP, reduces move speed by 30%, changes Glare to Stone, Dia to Break and Holy to Quake
Stone - Deals damage, adds a stack of 'Shards' on every hit
Break - Deals damage that increases depending on the stack of Shards on the target, consumes all stacks of Shards
Quake - Deals damage around you and applies Stun

Afflatus Tempest - Consumes 1 green lily and deals damage to your target and in an area around them, grants 'Shroud of Wind' and 1 leaf on the white lily
Shroud of Wind effect: Grants self sprint movement speed and every spell has a 1s cast time for the duration, changes Glare to Gale, Dia to Aero and Holy to Air Burst
Gale - Deals damage, deals increased damage if target has the Aero debuff
Aero - Deals damage over time
Air Burst - Deals damage to the target and in an area around them, applies Slow

Afflatus Deluge - Consumes 1 blue lily and deals damage around you in an area, grants 'Shroud of Water' and 1 leaf on the white lily
Shroud of Water effect: Grants self increased MP regeneration and applies Chainspell to self, making every second spell cast instant cast, changes Glare to Water, Dia to Osmose and Holy to Maelstrom
Water - Deals damage, additionally applies Drown (damage over time) if target has the Osmose debuff
Osmose - Deals damage and applies a debuff on the target that makes every attack on it restore your MP by 1%
Maelstrom - Deals damage to the target and in an area around them, consumes Drown to deal additional damage

Afflatus Purgation - Consumes 1 white lily and deals damage in a line from you to the target, also grants Regen to all allies nearby

Just a general outline, don't have time to math out potencies and durations yet.

[ty_taurus]

If I want to be nickpicky, while Aero's current effect is the DOT, thematically I'd want it to match Stone and Water as the standard GCD attack in your wind phase since "Aero" is the traditional wind elemental black magic spell in Final Fantasy, and "Tornado" and "Flood" would be your AOEs. It would be nice if the AOEs were in some way a part of single target gameplay, such as perhaps ShB Summoner's Fountain of Fire and Brand of Purgatory. It's not a very exciting way to utilize those, but I'd prefer that to them just being 'Dungeon Trash spells' considering they're formerly the master-level elemental spells from XI, and like holy, feels very underwhelming as just trash fodder buttons.

[Bladeninja7]

I’m fairly new to FFXIV, I’m a long time fan of the series as I played Final Fantasy on the NES my dad had given me. I’m currently leveling White Mage as I enjoy the classic jobs and while the job is fun I feel like a small change could improve its fun factor. This change doesn’t need to affect the balance of the class or how the class functions this is just a simple suggestion to make the class feel better. Convert the primary damage ability (Stone/Glare/Aero/Dia) into one button 3 skill combos. Even if it’s just Stone/Glare I think it would make the down time between healing feel and look better. Something as simple as Stone I-> Stone II-> Stone III and Glare I-> Glare II-> Glare III would be nice. I thoroughly enjoy seeing the skills light up with the dotted line border and feel like healer damage rotations lack any flare. Hopefully this is seen by someone who can pass it along, is there a secret password… Wild Rose? And maybe in a future update we can see something like this I know I would enjoy it and I hope others would as well. Thank you for your time Kupo! For you are the warrior who crossed time, you are the Bringer Of Light.

[Aravell]

It would be nice if the AOEs were in some way a part of single target gameplay, such as perhaps ShB Summoner's Fountain of Fire and Brand of Purgatory..

That's what I was trying to go for with the water phase, with your single-target filler buffing your AoE to where it's worth using. I was thinking if it would be a good idea to have them buff each other like Gibbet and Gallows on RPR, maybe that would work better.

[Post]

Something that I'd like to say while we're talking about shield healers before I totally forget about them... is the fact that I couldn't help but think the shield healers' shields are.... bland. Boring. It's either purely to shield, or nothing.

Another 'type' of shield that I don't think I've ever seen in this game is something like this:

Grants a shield that reduces damage by [x]%. Will dissipates once [y] damage worth of cure potency is absorbed.

The closest one that we currently have right now is (Pan)haima. Functionally multiple layers of barrier that let some damage pierces through the shield while still retaining the remainder. These two kinda makes me think that SE was trying to replicate just that, but probably couldn't due to spagghetified coding or any other technical reasons.

This actually exists in PvP (where all the fun ideas are). SMN's radiant aegis is a 10000 shield that mitigates incoming damage by 20% while it holds. Can be used on others, too!

[ForsakenRoe]

but I'd prefer that to them just being 'Dungeon Trash spells' considering they're formerly the master-level elemental spells from XI, and like holy, feels very underwhelming as just trash fodder buttons.

Unfortunately, BLM gives precedent to that with Flare and Freeze being 'dungeon trash spells' already. I'd have preferred for Flare to get a trait that makes it worth using as your ST finisher instead of Despair, but here we are

[ty_taurus]

Unfortunately, BLM gives precedent to that with Flare and Freeze being 'dungeon trash spells' already. I'd have preferred for Flare to get a trait that makes it worth using as your ST finisher instead of Despair, but here we are

Almost as if Despair never needed to be added into the game, along with many other ST/AOE exclusives added in future expansions: Xenoglossy, Shoha II, Auto Crossbow... For as shallow as Summoner is including its AOE buttons, consider how much more shallow it is when you consider that a major chunk of its actions are just AOE versions of the same thing.

I don't even understand why we need entirely divorced AOE standard attacks. I get wanting at least something that's single target to help pull individual enemies in the few environments where that actually matters, but other than mildly changing how the AOE rotation works, would Monk really be any different if Shadow of the Destroyer was an upgrade of Bootshine, Four-Point Fury was an upgrade of Twin Snakes, and Rockbreaker was an upgrade of Snap Punch? Your single target rotations would be the same, you'd just use one specific 1-2-3 for AOE.