DT Relic Proposal

[StarRosie]

OK, just going to preface a lot of what I'm about to say with, I don't particularly like the current relic grind. But I also just kinda do it cause like I said in my previous post, I would prefer if relics respected the time put into them and despite being super easy...these ones do respect the time it takes to get 1500 tomes. They are sufficiently strong enough for how easy they are to get.

I also don't normally like or want to play devil's advocate, so I ask folks don't shove words I'm not saying down my throat here. But...

Any and all discussion was had when we got the first EW relic step.

Has it? I lurk A LOT, don't post often because at this point the forums just feel like a lost cause, but they're good for a laugh. But whenever I've seen this topic come up, I see two sides being extremely bullheaded and refusing to budge in any manner, while some TRY to think of a compromise, only for the bullheaded ones to shout those people down. But it always feels the "We want ultra grindy relics!" side is refusing to accept anything other then another Bozja. Nothing else. Even when the idea of a HW style grind is proposed, that is shouted down by "I SAID BOZJA! NOTHING ELSE!" Or when someone made a point that they COULD do another bozja style relic but improve upon the alternate methods to upgrade the relic that they did for the bozja relic, for those who don't really want to participate in the Exploratory Zone because it doesn't appeal to them. That too was shouted down. It was also overall botched by SE, but more on that later.

Meanwhile, you have those in favor of the current relic also being stubborn in trying to look at the situation from the others' perspective. Likely because maybe they did the Anima relic back in HW and liked that, only for Eureka and Bozja to be something they don't like and the EW is the first relic they've gotten in a while. So the idea of going BACK to the exploratory zone style is unappealing to them. So they stubbornly pushback against that idea. Or they are someone who doesn't have a ton of time to do a long grind, so the current style lets them have something they've never had before. There are possibilities to explain it all.

Speaking from my own personal tastes. I don't like the current "fork over some tomes" style we have now. But I also really do not like the Exploratory Zone style either. I wish we could have another one like HW or ARR. Or have a relic tied to an Exploratory Zone BUT also have an alternate HW style grind. Which seemed to be a thing they were trying to do in Bozja, each relic step had "Do thing in Bozja for parts you need" or "Do thing not in Bozja for parts you need." but this was compromised by the relic steps being hard tied to the Bozja storyline. So even though there were options for people who didn't want to do Bozja either because it doesn't appeal to them, the content style is too tedious for them, or they just do not like the story for Bozja, they still ultimately had to do Bozja. Which often created other frustrations.

I think there is still room for a discussion to be had, room for compromises to be had. No, this doesn't mean we should allow a "Just fork over some tomes." option alongside a Bozja style or HW style. Then everyone will do that because humans default/drift to the easiest option by nature. But...there IS middle ground being ignored in favor of "My way or the highway." in my honest opinion.

OK, ramble over.

[Musashidon]

I think there is still room for a discussion to be had, room for compromises to be had. No, this doesn't mean we should allow a "Just fork over some tomes." option alongside a Bozja style or HW style. Then everyone will do that because humans default/drift to the easiest option by nature. But...there IS middle ground being ignored in favor of "My way or the highway." in my honest opinion.

i mean that is the best of both worlds sure people will go the tomes route but that's the point people who say they want a grind can do it and those who just want the weapon can too.

even if most people default to tomes everyone is happy. well except the group that wants everyone to do the grind.

[StarRosie]

i mean that is the best of both worlds sure people will go the tomes route but that's the point people who say they want a grind can do it and those who just want the weapon can too.

even if most people default to tomes everyone is happy. well except the group that wants everyone to do the grind.

I mean, fair. I was letting my own thoughts get in the way there. But overall I just think it is a discussion with plenty of room to talk, if folks stop planting their feet the whole time...but, eh.