DT Relic Proposal

[Ath192]

I don't get itt then, if you enjoyed running exploration zones to get a relic then.... just do that? In Dawntrail if they continue the pattern it will count towards the relic since it's going to be level 100 content and would give progress.
I'm advocating for taking the current method in endwalker and improving it so that people can pick their desired path to the relic and not feel like they have to do content they hate. I don't see how that can be a contentious topic unless your fun comes from the fact players are literally forced to do a specific bit of content with no alternatives to earn the relic.
And if that's the case then... yeah I don't think you should really get what you want sorry. I like the option to choose and I do not want to get shoved back into some exploration zone or abysmal farm like books or atma farm and not have an alternative to break it up.

And given how popular the relics have been this expansion I don't think SE is going to go in the opposite direction, there will be a freedom of choice in which direction you go in the next relics. How much remains to be seen.

People who don’t enjoy relic content shouldn’t be getting them. It was a critical mistake to keep dumbing it down just so more people would have them sitting in their inventory as they unsubbed. That’s what the market board glowy weapons were for. Instant gratification.

Relics historically have been about long grinds and rather time consuming to complete. This is akin to taking Savage fights and making them into normal fights just to make them more accessible. The whole point is they are hard. And the whole point of the relics was that they were a time commitment. I’m certainly not finishing the EW relic anymore. I don’t see the point. I’d be embarrassed to walk with that equipped.

[Gullis]

I think that would the best way honestly.

I don't know why relics needs to be something everyone needs to have. Either you do the grind and get it, or you dont. It's optional. By the time it's bis, the game is dead anyway

Considering Yoshi's statement, I won't be suprised if they are just gonna roll with more tomes tho.

I just want something to work for between patches, be it relic or something else.

[Ardeth]

The exploratory zones offered numerous rewards beyond the relics themselves along with their associated quests providing lore and worldbuilding information for players. The relics themselves were always optional content, not obligatory content. You were not required to get them. If you did not wish to do the exploratory zone then you could skip it. There were other options for perfectly viable weapons via other in game content to progress with. There was no need to reduce relic weapons to being charity weapons.

I know what they are. I know what they give you. I'm not sure why you felt the need to explain it to me? Also, I hate them. Arbitrary levels and arbitrary special actions all so we can simulate that terrible game FFXI. I had to push myself to do Eureka, and I never got the weapon done. Because it's full of tedious crap I'd rather not do. And like you said, I don't have to. Bozja is just as boring. But I want to do them for the armor and that one mount. But it's some of the worst content in this game next to islands.

[fulminating]

>ff14 needs supplemental actions to reach the level of ff11
>ff11 is a terrible game
Hmm

[Saraide]

I don't get itt then, if you enjoyed running exploration zones to get a relic then.... just do that?

It can not be stressed enough just how much of a foreign concept that is to mmo players.

[Volgia]

And given how popular the relics have been this expansion I don't think SE is going to go in the opposite direction, there will be a freedom of choice in which direction you go in the next relics. How much remains to be seen.

Wait they were popular?

So, hear me out, people say the relic grind takes too long and too much investment, but you do realize that we're going to have 4.5 months between big patches still right? Having an Eureka / Bozja to go into, and have some different progression system with different rewards while working towards your objective is totally doable when the patches between them are shy of half a year. You could take a two month break from the game, come back, and there still won't be anything new to do.

[Stormpeaks]

Just give me a relic quest that does not feel like it's designed for lazy players who actually hate playing the game please.

Couldnt say it any better myself

[VerdeLuck]

I’m certainly not finishing the dawntrail relic anymore. I don’t see the point. I’d be embarrassed to walk with that equipped.

This dude has the early early access lmao.

[ForteNightshade]

And there's the rub, one side considers anything below their standards to be "charity weapons" and "unearned". There's no discussion that can really happen when one side comes to the discussion with loaded statements like that.
You can't compromise with it, it's their way or they're going to say that the relics "mean nothing".

Endwalker brought a nice idea to the table, that maybe taking the relics and locking them behind content people otherwise wouldn't like is a bad idea. You might need to tweak the numbers, but having an open path to set your own goals to get the relic is better for more players than forcing players to engage with something like Bozja they might not like just to progress their relic. Taking something people want and putting it behind content they don't like is not going to get them to like the content any more than before. It just makes players more resentful and frustrated that they have to grind content they hate to get the reward they want.

Except Exploratory Zones have been the most engaged with content they've ever released. They didn't pause it this expansion due to it being unpopular but rather because they wanted to try other ideas much in the same way they paused Deep Dungeon in Shadowbringers. Were their people such as yourself who disliked it? Sure. The forums certainly wasn't quiet with complaints. Now you're seeing everyone who liked Eureak and Bozja upset because their content suddenly got removed and the replacement was "do the chores you were already doing."

And people call it a "charity weapon" because it essentially is. There's neither an effort nor journey in obtaining the relics any more. They aren't special weapons you build towards throughout the expansion but a glow stick you get doing the same chores you were already going to do anyway. What especially upsets a lot of people is we already had weapons you could passive earn. Actual Tome weapons were that casual grind upgrade everyone could partake. Then you have crafted weapons and Primal ones if you're feeling like getting your feet wet in harder content. Instead, we lost content in Exploratory Zones so the relics can become an even easier tome weapon while those of us who like grinding now have nothing to do as earning said relic is laughably easy.

[Menriq]

I'm of the opinion that if you do go with the new zone / exploratory route, then after the expansion is over, they can be grinded out with tomestomes. Once the expansion is over, getting CLL or other steps becomes a lot harder, and actually can make it grindier then when it was on content.