DT Relic Proposal

[OgruMogru]

I have no idea what you're talking about with "removing huge swathes of the game", it seems like you're bringing a lot of extra baggage into this discussion or attributing something to me that I never said.

Having a generic grind like in Endwalker is good, it's preferrable since you're not boxed into doing something specifically. Everyone gets to play the content they want and it counts towards their relic as long as it's level 90 content. You can argue that the numbers need to be higher but the concept of "play what you have fun with and it counts towards your expansion relic" is a pretty good concept when compared with what we had before, which to be honest was either farming a specific exploratory zone or farming one specific duty over and over. It's not like running Delibrum is much more engaging than running other types of duties, and at the end of the day, more choice is better, especially if the content you liked wasn't in the relic approved list of duties that could be farmed.

The relic grind and the exploration zones and the context for the grind itself that we had with previous expansions constitutes a substantial chunk of content that is missing from EW. You made a post earlier saying you didn't want to do ARR/HW content grind OR the exploratory content from both SB and ShB. That's 4/5 relic iterations and associated content that you won't do/don't enjoy. what about all the people that *did* enjoy that process? That now just have to make do with yet more tomes, not even an extra currency added to at least make it feel like there's some context to what you're grinding for?

For me personally it's extra salt in the wound because I think Manderville quests are moronic and I hate them. In the past that hasn't been a problem because *gasp* i just didn't partake in content I didn't enjoy but now that content has skidmarked out into the game at large and it stinks. So I have ended up with less engaging content with an underwhelming grind and a whole relic storyline wasted. The grind, context, the zones and story. Gone. If someone needed to take the previous relic steps slowly they could have and their experience would have been no different. They just could have taken it slowly with breaks and not got overwhelmed or bored. No such recompense for the people that actually enjoyed that content though.

[VerdeLuck]

The relic grind and the exploration zones and the context for the grind itself that we had with previous expansions constitutes a substantial chunk of content that is missing from EW. You made a post earlier saying you didn't want to do ARR/HW content grind OR the exploratory content from both SB and ShB. That's 4/5 relic iterations and associated content that you won't do/don't enjoy. what about all the people that *did* enjoy that process? That now just have to make do with yet more tomes, not even an extra currency added to at least make it feel like there's some context to what you're grinding for?

For me personally it's extra salt in the wound because I think Manderville quests are moronic and I hate them. In the past that hasn't been a problem because *gasp* i just didn't partake in content I didn't enjoy but now that content has skidmarked out into the game at large and it stinks. So I have ended up with less engaging content with an underwhelming grind and a whole relic storyline wasted. The grind, context, the zones and story. Gone. If someone needed to take the previous relic steps slowly they could have and their experience would have been no different. They just could have taken it slowly with breaks and not got overwhelmed or bored. No such recompense for the people that actually enjoyed that content though.

I don't get itt then, if you enjoyed running exploration zones to get a relic then.... just do that? In Dawntrail if they continue the pattern it will count towards the relic since it's going to be level 100 content and would give progress.
I'm advocating for taking the current method in endwalker and improving it so that people can pick their desired path to the relic and not feel like they have to do content they hate. I don't see how that can be a contentious topic unless your fun comes from the fact players are literally forced to do a specific bit of content with no alternatives to earn the relic.
And if that's the case then... yeah I don't think you should really get what you want sorry. I like the option to choose and I do not want to get shoved back into some exploration zone or abysmal farm like books or atma farm and not have an alternative to break it up.

And given how popular the relics have been this expansion I don't think SE is going to go in the opposite direction, there will be a freedom of choice in which direction you go in the next relics. How much remains to be seen.

[Gullis]

I think that would the best way honestly.

I don't know why relics needs to be something everyone needs to have. Either you do the grind and get it, or you dont. It's optional. By the time it's bis, the game is dead anyway

Considering Yoshi's statement, I won't be suprised if they are just gonna roll with more tomes tho.

I just want something to work for between patches, be it relic or something else.

[StarRosie]

By the time it's bis, the game is dead anyway

In all honesty, this has been one of my regular issues with all the relics. And oh boy, this is going to lead into a hot take.

FFXIV relic weapons until the final step are routinely weaker than multiple other options. Save for HW where the relic was as powerful as the tome weapon at the time. Currently the Augmented Diadochos, the limited tome weapon, the upgraded limited tome weapon, the SUPER upgraded limited tome weapon, Savage, and Zeromus EX weapons are all stronger than the current relic. Which...ya know, for how the current relic is acquired, fine. That's fair. I overall enjoy relic grinds, I VASTLY prefer the HW Anima grind over Eureka and Bozja. And while books are the single most tedious relic step to ever exist, I also prefer the ARR style. But for how long the grinds can be for each step, they do not feel like they actively respect and reward the player's time enough. If we go back to the grindy relics, then they need to be stronger at every step, not just the final step, to respect people's time. I would settle for them being as powerful as the tome weapon (Preferably augmented tome). But overall I would prefer they be as strong as the current tier savage weapon. Will this piss off savage raiders? Absolutely. I don't care though. If I go through something like say, the first one time grind for Bozja's relic, then the grind for the step that grind unlocks (5 runs of DR.), only to receive a weapon weaker than multiple options at that time? That feels like the game spitting in my face. Because, lets be real here, the one time grinds for the bozja relics were miserable affairs and even SE acknowledges this because they nerfed BOTH of them within the week they released!

Ramble aside, I overall just believe the relic steps need to be stronger if they are going to also be long grinds at each step.

[Saraide]

I don't get itt then, if you enjoyed running exploration zones to get a relic then.... just do that?

It can not be stressed enough just how much of a foreign concept that is to mmo players.

[Volgia]

And given how popular the relics have been this expansion I don't think SE is going to go in the opposite direction, there will be a freedom of choice in which direction you go in the next relics. How much remains to be seen.

Wait they were popular?

So, hear me out, people say the relic grind takes too long and too much investment, but you do realize that we're going to have 4.5 months between big patches still right? Having an Eureka / Bozja to go into, and have some different progression system with different rewards while working towards your objective is totally doable when the patches between them are shy of half a year. You could take a two month break from the game, come back, and there still won't be anything new to do.