Disruptive Frontline Gameplay

[Scintilla]

I may well have encountered that premade BUT I typically queue a couple of times, at most, a day.

If you encounter a premade, you'll know you encountered a premade. If it's a 'maybe', it's likely just a strong, well-coordinated random team. Though playing a couple of times a day at the very most may go some way to explain why you've been fortunate with your experiences so far.

Such groups were far more prevalent a while ago, since then I have seen them less. Still very regularly, but not remotely to the same frequency as I did back then. It was particularly frustrating for me at the time as I was finishing the Seal Rock achievement on my alt to use the Field Commander's coat for a glamour, and there was the same premade team in every single match, every day. This was quite a long while ago, so whether there was some kind of event on at that time which rewarded FL matches, such as the Moogle Treasure Trove, I can't remember.

I enjoy PvP and don't want to see people stop playing it because of the issues caused by premades. We don't seem to be at that stage quite yet (at least, not on my own DC), but if left to continue we could well reach that point eventually. As I tend to play FLs with friends, I would be a little sad if the ability to queue as a party was removed and I hope that there would be some other solution. But, if it comes to that being the only solution to this issue, I would accept it.

[IDontPetLalas]

If you encounter a premade, you'll know you encountered a premade. If it's a 'maybe', it's likely just a strong, well-coordinated random team. Though playing a couple of times a day at the very most may go some way to explain why you've been fortunate with your experiences so far.

*(snip, apologies, length)*

I enjoy PvP and don't want to see people stop playing it because of the issues caused by premades. We don't seem to be at that stage quite yet (at least, not on my own DC), but if left to continue we could well reach that point eventually. As I tend to play FLs with friends, I would be a little sad if the ability to queue as a party was removed and I hope that there would be some other solution. But, if it comes to that being the only solution to this issue, I would accept it.

FYI, I stopped counting when I hit 1000 FL, which was quite a while ago, I queue just a few times a day at most unless there's an event. I don't think we have the same experience or definition of premades - a premade aka a "light party" is not a " a strong, well-coordinated random team" by definition, it's not random, it may or may not be strong, although the longer a group stays together the stronger it tends to be as they know each other, they may or may not use voice comms- but not being a random group, having PvPed together and being on voice will all give them an advantage over 4 random people slapped together, and I doubt that anywhere here disputes that.

I fully agree that my experience as someone who queues a few times a day could be quite different from someone who may queue repeatedly for several hours at a time, especially if that happens to coincide with the exact time that an especially strong premade is entering, and RNG happens to match them up repeatedly against them. In my case, I would potentially meet up with that premade once or twice a day.

I would definitely not want to remove the light party option from FL, there are people in my FC who enjoy using it, and those who like to help sprouts with that option. I can see alternative options that could be helpful, so I see that as the last resort.

One thing that I don't thing anyone has considered- let's say that the option of removing light party was accepted by Square. I doubt it would be done quickly, it would likely take at least several months, if not more. So for that reason alone, if someone feels that it affects them, and thy have identified a specific premade - then why not consider varying their queue times with the goal of avoiding that premade?

[Scintilla]

la premade aka a "light party" is not a " a strong, well-coordinated random team" by definition, it's not random

I don't believe I've ever suggested a premade was random, so you seem to have misunderstood my previous post somewhat. I am fully aware of what a premade is - hence my discussion here. If they were random teams, there would be no such discussion.

I said that premades are obvious. If you aren't sure whether a team was a premade team or not, I would lean more towards the 'not'. If anyone is unsure if they've ever come across a premade team, I would guess that those occasions they weren't sure about were actually well-coordinated random teams, not premades. I'm not sure whether I explained myself any better there?

if someone feels that it affects them, and thy have identified a specific premade - then why not consider varying their queue times with the goal of avoiding that premade?

Avoidance is something of an option and a method that one of my friends prefers to use whenever we're playing FLs together and come across a premade in the previous game. But that is just avoiding the problem, not fixing it. I don't know how much of an effect player feedback here has on future adjustments (maybe JP forums have greater leverage in that sense), but if discussions here on forum has even the slightest chance of being read, then it's worth contributing.

[IDontPetLalas]

I don't believe I've ever suggested a premade was random, so you seem to have misunderstood my previous post somewhat. I am fully aware of what a premade is - hence my discussion here. If they were random teams, there would be no such discussion.

I said that premades are obvious. If you aren't sure whether a team was a premade team or not, I would lean more towards the 'not'. If anyone is unsure if they've ever come across a premade team, I would guess that those occasions they weren't sure about were actually well-coordinated random teams, not premades. I'm not sure whether I explained myself any better there?



Avoidance is something of an option and a method that one of my friends prefers to use whenever we're playing FLs together and come across a premade in the previous game. But that is just avoiding the problem, not fixing it. I don't know how much of an effect player feedback here has on future adjustments (maybe JP forums have greater leverage in that sense), but if discussions here on forum has even the slightest chance of being read, then it's worth contributing.

I'll repeat what I said before, but I'll reword it, because I didn't say that this was necessarily a "fix" for what you see as an issue. Nor for that matter do any of us know whether Square reads this, or any of the community forums (in any language), it's rather amusing, each forum always thinks the other forums get more attention.

Let's say that the solution that you want is to have separate pre-made and solo queues, it would fix several issues that you see know.

Let's say that Square agrees with you. Fine, it will take 9 months (this is just something I guesstimated).

So, we agree, what you see is an issue (or more than 1 issue) isn't fixed - your friend has a "workaround" (maybe you don't), until Square comes back in 9 months, and you look at what they deliver.

[Scintilla]

Nor for that matter do any of us know whether Square reads this, or any of the community forums (in any language), it's rather amusing, each forum always thinks the other forums get more attention.

Let's hope that they do. Not only for this matter but for all suggestions and discussions made here.

So, we agree, what you see is an issue (or more than 1 issue) isn't fixed - your friend has a "workaround" (maybe you don't), until Square comes back in 9 months, and you look at what they deliver.

There's some workarounds, whether it's complete avoidance, forming a premade of your own, or a union of the two random alliances. But the source problem remains. Problems aren't fixed unless they're reported and discussed, hence this thread.