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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    If anything this thread post is just as parasocial as any of the people who believe him to be some gaming god.

    I suggest we all stop treating the guy as such and instead do our job as consumers providing feedback and talking with our money if we legit feel like the product isnt worth our time and quit.
    Nooooooooooooo. This is me holding him to his job title as the leader of his Creative Unit and Asking him to focus on his business interest the same way I hold Ion and Todd howard to thier Job Interests, There is no parasocial. Just me asking the man to do his job as it should be done.

    Parasocial relationships are one-sided relationships, where one person extends emotional energy, interest and time, and the other party, the persona, is completely unaware of the other's existence

    This is implies I give a damn about what he does outside his job, His Job, What He Is Paid To Do, and choices within impact how I interact with this game. I can care less wtf Yoshida does outside directing this game.

    So let's Not Goal Post Move, Let's focus on Him and The Dev team Focusing On XIV and Making DT and 8.0 Worthwhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberrycake View Post
    Nooooooooooooo. This is me holding him to his job title as the leader of his Creative Unit and Asking him to focus on his business interest the same way I hold Ion and Todd howard to thier Job Interests, There is no parasocial. Just me asking the man to do his job as it should be done.

    Parasocial relationships are one-sided relationships, where one person extends emotional energy, interest and time, and the other party, the persona, is completely unaware of the other's existence

    This is implies I give a damn about what he does outside his job, His Job, What He Is Paid To Do, and choices within impact how I interact with this game. I can care less wtf Yoshida does outside directing this game.

    So let's Not Goal Post Move, Let's focus on Him and The Dev team Focusing On XIV and Making DT and 8.0 Worthwhile.
    I agree and guess what, at this point I ask for Yoshida to take a step back and train and assign a new director while he goes and does his own thing and I bet this is what already has happened in the dev team where theyre's actual people doing the work more than him.

    I dont like the language presented here yelling that he needs to just be bound to FFXIV forever, it sounds super childish and a tad awkward like a poor girl or boy crying out that Papa YoshiP is spending more time doing other things than playing catch with little Jimmy. Its weirdly parasocial to even say thats the issue here. I want him to do a better job at managing the game but shouting that he needs to stop doing other projects is just too silly of an ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    I agree and guess what, at this point I ask for Yoshida to take a step back and train and assign a new director while he goes and does his own thing and I bet this is what already has happened in the dev team where theyre's actual people doing the work more than him.

    I dont like the language presented here yelling that he needs to just be bound to FFXIV forever, it sounds super childish. Its weirdly parasocial to even say thats the issue here. I want him to do a better job at managing the game but shouting that he needs to stop doing other projects is just too silly.
    Again you're conflating me being assertive in a forum like this with yelling. No. I'm stating a point a point based within His own shortcomings he felt he had, that he cried for. I am a consumer paying money, if you spend money you have a right to say what you feel is fair for the product you paid for. Para-social implies I care what he does when it is not affecting my product which I pay for. I look at SE has an entity and Yoshida As a worker in Said Entity and XIV as an end user product that could and should be better.

    There is no emotion. This is me saying Working on another product is a bad idea because we have Promised Aspects in ShB, that failed, and EW, being lackluster af, and the work on 16 being a big aspect of that.

    I do not care if you like the language I'm using, I simply want the product to be better. Anything you're feeling, or thinking is irrelavent to that, to this post, and this this products being made better. If you wanna talk about feelings you can try another post or someone else in the XIV community.

    Now back to my main point.

    Working. On.Two. Games. Is. Not. CBU3s. Strong. Suit.

    Don't Do it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberrycake View Post
    Again you're conflating me being assertive in a forum like this with yelling. No. I'm stating a point a point based within His own shortcomings he felt he had, that he cried for. I am a consumer paying money, if you spend money you have a right to say what you feel is fair for the product you paid for. Para-social implies I care what he does when it is not affecting my product which I pay for. I look at SE has an entity and Yoshida As a worker in Said Entity and XIV as an end user product that could and should be better.

    There is no emotion. This is me saying Working on another product is a bad idea because we have Promised Aspects in ShB, that failed, and EW, being lackluster af, and the work on 16 being a big aspect of that.

    I do not care if you like the language I'm using, I simply want the product to be better. Anything you're feeling, or thinking is irrelavent to that, to this post, and this this products being made better. If you wanna talk about feelings you can try another post or someone else in the XIV community.

    Now back to my main point.

    Working. On.Two. Games. Is. Not. CBU3s. Strong. Suit.

    Don't Do it again.
    Like I said, the fact that you're telling this guy to "stop working on other projects" screams somebody who doesnt know shit. Heck I dont know shit either but I do know that in the gaming industry developers rarely tie themselves to one project the entire time and they're always working on something else. What I'm arguing that this was never the problem. If anything the actual problem is that Yoshida's directing skills have been stagnating as the game goes on for so long. I want him to do better and its clear that despite the passion that he shows and speaks off in many of the LLs and interviews that the man isnt nor ever was perfect. This was the same way back in 2.0 where the had so many bumps in the roads and lo and behold we still have em today.

    What I hold responsible is both him and the team for seriously slacking in various areas and I dont care nor believe its because they're juggling multiple projects. Its what the industry does and if you're just finding out about it then that just shows how ignorant you were on the genre the entire time.

    Bottom line, this is a stupid topic to bring up and Im sick and tired of people trying to find easy excuses like saying "Oh its because they were working on x that this game is bad". Seriously listen to your own post here.

    What Yoshida and whoever is currently in CBU3 needs to do is to get it together and start listening to feedback and address concerns a lot better rather than being so damn stubborn with a lot of their design choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Like I said, the fact that you're telling this guy to "stop working on other projects" screams somebody who doesnt know shit. Heck I dont know shit either but I do know that in the gaming industry developers rarely tie themselves to one project the entire time and they're always working on something else. What I'm arguing that this was never the problem. If anything the actual problem is that Yoshida's directing skills have been stagnating as the game goes on for so long. I want him to do better and its clear that despite the passion that he shows and speaks off in many of the LLs and interviews that the man isnt nor ever was perfect. This was the same way back in 2.0 where the had so many bumps in the roads and lo and behold we still have em today.

    What I hold responsible is both him and the team for seriously slacking in various areas and I dont care nor believe its because they're juggling multiple projects. Its what the industry does and if you're just finding out about it then that just shows how ignorant you were on the genre the entire time.

    Bottom line, this is a stupid topic to bring up and Im sick and tired of people trying to find easy excuses like saying "Oh its because they were working on x that this game is bad". Seriously listen to your own post here.

    What Yoshida and whoever is currently in CBU3 needs to do is to get it together and start listening to feedback and address concerns a lot better rather than being so damn stubborn with a lot of their design choices.
    He asked for Feed back and I'm giving it. Don't like it leave. it's that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberrycake View Post
    He asked for Feed back and I'm giving it. Don't like it leave. it's that simple.
    Yeah well your feedback while correct is still terrible. Stop giving the devs excuses is all I ask. Hold them accountable for them doing a poor job rather than trying to say they only ever did so because of FFXVI.
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    I think another Point to make as well is simply this. Theres a Multitude of different things that have occurred Between Covid, bad Scheduling, Making a video game Along side an MMO. and whatever else was going on internally at the company at the time.

    As a consumer, i do not care. I just want my product to be better. If you're late for work your boss does not care. If you late for picking up your kid, the day care does not care. What little empathy I have is solely going toward what happened during covid, but this is also a billion Dollar Entity, And the other Billion Dollar Companies did a better job Mobilizing their work forces all over the world.

    So one could Say this was a cocktail of Unfortunate events.

    I am here to tell you how much I don't care. I do Not Care for the Semantics, The Good Faith Arguments. The people Who say how much they don't care but argue on every post being critical of XIV. I do not care.

    XIV Deserves Full Time Focus and Full Time Devs and A Full. Time. Director.

    Working. On.Two. Games. Is. Not. CBU3s. Strong. Suit.

    Don't Do it again.


    That is my Feed back. The Feed Back Yoshida is Asking For.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberrycake View Post
    I think another Point to make as well is simply this. Theres a Multitude of different things that have occurred Between Covid, bad Scheduling, Making a video game Along side an MMO. and whatever else was going on internally at the company at the time.

    As a consumer, i do not care. I just want my product to be better. If you're late for work your boss does not care. If you late for picking up your kid, the day care does not care. What little empathy I have is solely going toward what happened during covid, but this is also a billion Dollar Entity, And the other Billion Dollar Companies did a better job Mobilizing their work forces all over the world.

    So one could Say this was a cocktail of Unfortunate events.

    I am here to tell you how much I don't care. I do Not Care for the Semantics, The Good Faith Arguments. The people Who say how much they don't care but argue on every post being critical of XIV. I do not care.

    XIV Deserves Full Time Focus and Full Time Devs and A Full. Time. Director.

    Working. On.Two. Games. Is. Not. CBU3s. Strong. Suit.

    Don't Do it again.


    That is my Feed back. The Feed Back Yoshida is Asking For.
    IT. NEVER. WAS. THEM. WORKING. ON TWO. GAMES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberrycake View Post
    Parasocial relationships are one-sided relationships, where one person extends emotional energy, interest and time, and the other party, the persona, is completely unaware of the other's existence
    Considering nothing we say or do on these forums actually reaches the devs (even our own forum mod team tends to make one post and then vanish into the ether forever), that definition makes the entire idea of using the forums for feedback parasocial.
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