Yoshia Do Not Work On Other Main Titile Games Please.

[strawberrycake]

https://www.famitsu.com/news/202312/08325585.html

In this recent Famitsu Article Yoshida said that he wants to work on another main title with CBU3.

No. It's been proven that this team cannot manage working on 2 Main Title FF games and make meaningful content for one while fucilitating the other. FF16 has been in development since Heavensward, it wasn't until Shadowbringers that we began feeling the stress of that development, with promises not being met and watching the man crying on stage for his own short comings in that regard. And now Endwalker feeling like a husk in comparison to its sibling expansions. Focus on XIV, Focus on Making this game great, There is a reason CBU1 is the team for Single player games and CBU3 is the MMO devision. Let Nomura do his job in making single player games.


XIV Deserves Full Time Focus and Full Time Devs and A Full. Time. Director.

I want this to be the best game it can be, because it's already been the best, bring it back to that.

[Atelier-Bagur]

At the risk of sounding like a dev simp, you nor me have the right to tell or force a develpor NOT pursue other projects for both expanding their portfolio and creativity in the gaming field.

Thats their decision and if Yoshida wants to divert his attention to newer material thats completely fine and as a consumer Im interested to see what him and other staff in the team can come up in the future.

All I care about is that FFXIV is still properly maintained and while I can still pin responsibility on him as he is the current director Im also blaming the new blood in the team to failing to meet expectactions. Its not even much for me personally, I just want the game to be above average and currently its just....average.

[LilimoLimomo]

At the risk of sounding like a dev simp, you nor me have the right to tell or force a develpor NOT pursue other projects for both expanding their portfolio and creativity in the gaming field.

Thats their decision and if Yoshida wants to divert his attention to newer material thats completely fine and as a consumer Im interested to see what him and other staff in the team can come up in the future.

All I care about is that FFXIV is still properly maintained and while I can still pin responsibility on him as he is the current director Im also blaming the new blood in the team to failing to meet expectactions. Its not even much for me personally, I just want the game to be above average and currently its just....average.

I was ready to agree with you until the part that I bolded. If you're in a position of authority over subordinates and they're not doing good work, that's on you. Even in the scenarios where you could consider the subordinates to be at-fault (meaning they are unskilled or simply not doing the work) responsibility ultimately goes to management, because when such problems are noticed — and they should be noticed, because an effective producer is measuring progress — it's management's job to solve them. Whether that means training up these employees, adjusting the schedule to accommodate the unexpected reality of a lower velocity, or simply firing these employees because they aren't able to do their jobs as needed, the responsibility for addressing these problems is a manager's duty. And if that manager has a superior, it's that superior's duty to make sure that their subordinate addresses the issue. And so on and so forth until you reach the top of the food chain where the most responsible person lies.

In short, if your subordinates are doing a meaningfully bad job and you have the authority to do something about that but don't, you are doing a even worse at your job than they are at theirs.

[Atelier-Bagur]

If anything this thread post is just as parasocial as any of the people who believe him to be some gaming god.

I suggest we all stop treating the guy as such and instead do our job as consumers providing feedback and talking with our money if we legit feel like the product isnt worth our time and quit.

[strawberrycake]

If anything this thread post is just as parasocial as any of the people who believe him to be some gaming god.

I suggest we all stop treating the guy as such and instead do our job as consumers providing feedback and talking with our money if we legit feel like the product isnt worth our time and quit.

Nooooooooooooo. This is me holding him to his job title as the leader of his Creative Unit and Asking him to focus on his business interest the same way I hold Ion and Todd howard to thier Job Interests, There is no parasocial. Just me asking the man to do his job as it should be done.

Parasocial relationships are one-sided relationships, where one person extends emotional energy, interest and time, and the other party, the persona, is completely unaware of the other's existence

This is implies I give a damn about what he does outside his job, His Job, What He Is Paid To Do, and choices within impact how I interact with this game. I can care less wtf Yoshida does outside directing this game.

So let's Not Goal Post Move, Let's focus on Him and The Dev team Focusing On XIV and Making DT and 8.0 Worthwhile.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Nooooooooooooo. This is me holding him to his job title as the leader of his Creative Unit and Asking him to focus on his business interest the same way I hold Ion and Todd howard to thier Job Interests, There is no parasocial. Just me asking the man to do his job as it should be done.

Parasocial relationships are one-sided relationships, where one person extends emotional energy, interest and time, and the other party, the persona, is completely unaware of the other's existence

This is implies I give a damn about what he does outside his job, His Job, What He Is Paid To Do, and choices within impact how I interact with this game. I can care less wtf Yoshida does outside directing this game.

So let's Not Goal Post Move, Let's focus on Him and The Dev team Focusing On XIV and Making DT and 8.0 Worthwhile.

I agree and guess what, at this point I ask for Yoshida to take a step back and train and assign a new director while he goes and does his own thing and I bet this is what already has happened in the dev team where theyre's actual people doing the work more than him.

I dont like the language presented here yelling that he needs to just be bound to FFXIV forever, it sounds super childish and a tad awkward like a poor girl or boy crying out that Papa YoshiP is spending more time doing other things than playing catch with little Jimmy. Its weirdly parasocial to even say thats the issue here. I want him to do a better job at managing the game but shouting that he needs to stop doing other projects is just too silly of an ask.

[strawberrycake]

I agree and guess what, at this point I ask for Yoshida to take a step back and train and assign a new director while he goes and does his own thing and I bet this is what already has happened in the dev team where theyre's actual people doing the work more than him.

I dont like the language presented here yelling that he needs to just be bound to FFXIV forever, it sounds super childish. Its weirdly parasocial to even say thats the issue here. I want him to do a better job at managing the game but shouting that he needs to stop doing other projects is just too silly.

Again you're conflating me being assertive in a forum like this with yelling. No. I'm stating a point a point based within His own shortcomings he felt he had, that he cried for. I am a consumer paying money, if you spend money you have a right to say what you feel is fair for the product you paid for. Para-social implies I care what he does when it is not affecting my product which I pay for. I look at SE has an entity and Yoshida As a worker in Said Entity and XIV as an end user product that could and should be better.

There is no emotion. This is me saying Working on another product is a bad idea because we have Promised Aspects in ShB, that failed, and EW, being lackluster af, and the work on 16 being a big aspect of that.

I do not care if you like the language I'm using, I simply want the product to be better. Anything you're feeling, or thinking is irrelavent to that, to this post, and this this products being made better. If you wanna talk about feelings you can try another post or someone else in the XIV community.

Now back to my main point.

Working. On.Two. Games. Is. Not. CBU3s. Strong. Suit.

Don't Do it again.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Again you're conflating me being assertive in a forum like this with yelling. No. I'm stating a point a point based within His own shortcomings he felt he had, that he cried for. I am a consumer paying money, if you spend money you have a right to say what you feel is fair for the product you paid for. Para-social implies I care what he does when it is not affecting my product which I pay for. I look at SE has an entity and Yoshida As a worker in Said Entity and XIV as an end user product that could and should be better.

There is no emotion. This is me saying Working on another product is a bad idea because we have Promised Aspects in ShB, that failed, and EW, being lackluster af, and the work on 16 being a big aspect of that.

I do not care if you like the language I'm using, I simply want the product to be better. Anything you're feeling, or thinking is irrelavent to that, to this post, and this this products being made better. If you wanna talk about feelings you can try another post or someone else in the XIV community.

Now back to my main point.

Working. On.Two. Games. Is. Not. CBU3s. Strong. Suit.

Don't Do it again.

Like I said, the fact that you're telling this guy to "stop working on other projects" screams somebody who doesnt know shit. Heck I dont know shit either but I do know that in the gaming industry developers rarely tie themselves to one project the entire time and they're always working on something else. What I'm arguing that this was never the problem. If anything the actual problem is that Yoshida's directing skills have been stagnating as the game goes on for so long. I want him to do better and its clear that despite the passion that he shows and speaks off in many of the LLs and interviews that the man isnt nor ever was perfect. This was the same way back in 2.0 where the had so many bumps in the roads and lo and behold we still have em today.

What I hold responsible is both him and the team for seriously slacking in various areas and I dont care nor believe its because they're juggling multiple projects. Its what the industry does and if you're just finding out about it then that just shows how ignorant you were on the genre the entire time.

Bottom line, this is a stupid topic to bring up and Im sick and tired of people trying to find easy excuses like saying "Oh its because they were working on x that this game is bad". Seriously listen to your own post here.

What Yoshida and whoever is currently in CBU3 needs to do is to get it together and start listening to feedback and address concerns a lot better rather than being so damn stubborn with a lot of their design choices.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Parasocial relationships are one-sided relationships, where one person extends emotional energy, interest and time, and the other party, the persona, is completely unaware of the other's existence

Considering nothing we say or do on these forums actually reaches the devs (even our own forum mod team tends to make one post and then vanish into the ether forever), that definition makes the entire idea of using the forums for feedback parasocial.

[Stormpeaks]

You are right OP, don't mind the other poster too much it's their forté to do exactly what they're doing.

EW was an absolute bore thanks to FF16 being in the work and a team that did mediocre content, let's not do that again.