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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    And? I understood your argument and made a rebuttal, that's what discussion means, it's what I'm trying to do. There was absolutely no need to make a snide jab at me as if I was trying to gotcha you or something. You're making things difficult, I asked you a question to clarify, you clarified, and we continue to have the discussion, no? Seems to run counter to your asking for good-faith discussion if you turn around and take jabs at me for trying to have a discussion.

    Also, why go out of your way to paint a picture of "terrible raiders" when you're quoting me if you don't actually mean to tag me as one?
    Okay, so you now understand my argument - not a caricature of it? - and won't tell me anymore that you don't understand my position? Good.

    I wasn't making a jab or making things difficult, though, so it seems you still don't understand. And now you're trying to make a snide jab gotcha about "good faith".

    Though I have to ask, where...did I say anything about "terrible raiders"? o.O I can't find the phrase in my post responding to you. Or ANY of my posts, actually. How is it good faith to make up things other people haven't said? /sigh

    EDIT:

    Anyway, this is, again, pointless. So I won't keep participating in this tangent.

    If you don't understand something, ask questions.

    If I keep saying you're wrong about what you're saying about me or my arguments, it might pay to ask questions there to lead to understanding - That is, if you say "Are you saying X" and I say "I've be outright opposed to X this whole time, are you even reading my posts?", it should be clear you're misunderstanding something. Especially if I'm saying it over and over again to the same people.

    I feel like at least half of the opposition to me is people NOT doing that and making assumptions "You said people should be able to parse purple doing the bare minimum one-button spam" (someone above, not you) type stuff, outright making up stuff I didn't say and that is directly opposed to stuff I have said ("you're saying we can't have more dps and healing complexity at the same time" "I've literally proposed a system where we would have more dps and healing complexity at the same time on some healer Jobs..."), so they have something to disagree with me over since, if people actually took only the arguments I've made, and noted the rebuttals I've presented, at least half the arguments used in opposition to me wouldn't be voiced since they aren't things I've argued for/against.

    ...and that's not counting the just outright insults from people who don't know and don't care to know my positions - they've just made up what they WANT my positions to be, so they can hate me for having them, and then not bother even arguing them instead going with mockery and discrediting to "defeat" them via ad hominem fallacy - as those aren't even arguments at this point.

    I suspect, at the core, people would generally agree with my positions on SCH, AST, and SGE, that oGCD heals are too prevalent and too powerful, and that encounter design is too much on the "light tickle" side when it comes to healing and damage output. That's like 90% of the argument right there that we likely agree on if people bothered to read and understand.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 11-20-2023 at 09:15 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT