How would you solve the boring "damage rotation" of the healers?

[TheDustyOne]

It's not a lobotomy to leave something as it is. You can argue it's like installing a chip in 3 people's heads to make them smarter and leaving one dumb, but there are plenty of irl Humans that would rather not have the chip (in the somewhat near future, this is going to be a real choice we have, like as not, btw...)

I get hyperbole isn't your strong point, but at least try to understand the point being made, not going off on another subject.

As for Ty's surveys - while I like them because I like more data, neither is a scientific survey. There are no control groups, and there's no weighting based on anything. It's raw data from the places on the internet where people are most likely to want more complex things and be hanging out while disgruntled with the current offerings. The first survey also reached a wider audience and had less people asking for more DPS actions than the second, which seemed to be more limited to people responding from here and FFXIVDiscussion, two places most annoyed with current healer design. Most of them also do not have a "don't change anything" option, meaning people have to pick something, and so many may be picking something that they don't really want but is just the "best of the available options". Regardless, the point is they're somewhat useful for gauging what mostly high end players that want more complex healer Jobs want, but not necessarily for gauging what the playerbase as a whole or "most WHM" etc want.

As far as I remember from that first survey, it was still majority wanting DPS, so ignoring the second in favour of the first because the results are more favourable to you isn't helping you. When people were given multiple choices of what they wouldn't mind seeing, 80% still say more DPS, that would most definitely include people that also selected more healing options. Are you telling me we should ignore those players because you, and people who think like you, know what they want better than them?
They also had the option for "Unsure" if they didn't know what they wanted, it's pointless to ask for "No change" because they're going to be disappointed come the next expansion anyway with its additions.

And even there, are mostly limited to English speakers. Apparently, the JP community doesn't want more damage complexity on healers, they want more healing complexity - including their high end players - and that isn't reflected in Ty's surveys. So they are interesting and useful, but must be considered carefully based on those limitations.

It is possible to have more healing complexity and more DPS complexity, I know Square has a habit of only caring for the Japanese playerbase, but they can't keep ignoring overseas playerbases forever. And since the overseas playerbases want more DPS options, it's not a farfetched idea to do both, Japanese players are free to ignore them if they want.

And, even within those surveys, there are "a hell of a lot" that don't want more expanded DPS kits. (As for SB WHM, the problem wasn't it had no identity, the problem was the kit was HORRIBLE and actively worked against its identity - for example, during one period, you generated Lilies...by casting...Cure 1. Think about that one for a minute.) For example, in the first survey, more than half of WHMs said they preferred ShB/EW to ARR/HW/SB WHM, indicating they prefer the current gameplay.

There's no real evidence for "hell of a lot" that don't want extra DPS, Tys survey may only be a small sample, but at least it's SOMETHING to go off of. I know you have a habit of assuming you're speaking for the silent majority, but considering they also are thinking humans themselves with differing opinions, they can range anywhere from "I don't care" to either "more healing" or "more DPS" or "Get out of my house".

I'm aware of how bad lilies were in SB, I started WHM back in SB, and moved to SCH because of how dull WHM was. I also lurked the forums back then and still remember people complaining that they hated Squares idea of WHM effectively being a heal bot, that it only offered more healing compared to the other healers that only results in overhealing. What it offered was nothing unique and did less damage than the other healers, had it offered more damage options and higher DPS overall, it would've had a niche of its own to make up for lack of utility.

Also Tys first survey has more than half wanting a rework, half in particular wanting big changes, not having it stay the same:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...8Hk/edit#gid=0

That does not suggest to me that they "prefer ShB/EW", it means they unhappy with WHM as a whole and that ShB/EW is the "least bad" to the point where more than half want it changed up. Only 16% wanted "no rework."

The number one request for WHM was not "add a lot of damage buttons or interactivity" it was "Can we just have Aero 3 back? Nothing else, just Aero 3."

Ironic that you say:

Please don't strawman.

When you're putting words in my mouth about "add a lot of damage buttons or interactivity". You're intentionally weakening my position to attack that instead, which is most definitely a strawman. I've said previously that I'd be happy with just two, TWO damage buttons on WHM. That isn't "a lot of damage buttons or interactivity", that's one more than Aero III.

This is why people don't think you're arguing in good faith here. It sounds hollow whenever you say you want a good faith discussion.

Good grief can we please keep the post lengths down? It's exhausting.