What makes a good Job mechanically?

[Shurrikhan]

For you maybe. I didn't find the infographic to really explain it well. Maybe because it constantly mentions brotherhood but never shows where brotherhood is used. I'm missing a reference point there that I need to understand it.


Some people count gcds mid fight I guess. I don't have the capacity to do that while dealing with the rotation itself and mechanics.

You... do not need to do that for Optimal Drift anyways...

Admittedly, the image overcomplicates this. You're just trying, ultimately, to meet four guidelines simultaneously:

1. "Get near maximal (GCD) potency under each RoF",
2. "Don't delay RoF unless it would allow for an extra Leaden or Demo under RoF, and by no more than a GCD",
3. "Don't let Demo or Twin fall off", and
4. "Don't clip Demo by more than a single tick per minute."

The "Drift" part just notes that (at the BiS GCD speed) you're not going to start each RoF on the same GCD. Instead, optimally, it will... drift.

Tbf, though, if you increase your SkS quite a bit further, you can meet those criteria without actually having to shift things around. You just end up doing Opo->Twin->PB->RoF->Opo->Opo->Opo->Phantom->Demolish->Opo instead for your odd-minute bursts instead while every even minute runs from Demolish to Demolish and ends in Phoenix (and, with enough speed, a final Leaden falls under RoF).

But... Crit is king for a reason, so the max damage from that rotation is faintly less. If you like being a speed demon and dislike having much drift, though, you may as well go for that.

[Renathras]

You... do not need to do that for Optimal Drift anyways...

Admittedly, the image overcomplicates this. You're just trying, ultimately, to meet four guidelines simultaneously:

1. "Get near maximal (GCD) potency under each RoF",
2. "Don't delay RoF unless it would allow for an extra Leaden or Demo under RoF, and by no more than a GCD",
3. "Don't let Demo or Twin fall off", and
4. "Don't clip Demo by more than a single tick per minute."

The "Drift" part just notes that (at the BiS GCD speed) you're not going to start each RoF on the same GCD. Instead, optimally, it will... drift.

Tbf, though, if you increase your SkS quite a bit further, you can meet those criteria without actually having to shift things around. You just end up doing Opo->Twin->PB->RoF->Opo->Opo->Opo->Phantom->Demolish->Opo instead for your odd-minute bursts instead while every even minute runs from Demolish to Demolish and ends in Phoenix (and, with enough speed, a final Leaden falls under RoF).

But... Crit is king for a reason, so the max damage from that rotation is faintly less. If you like being a speed demon and dislike having much drift, though, you may as well go for that.

...

You know, as per my norms, I am 100% glad a Job like that is in this game for people that just that sort of thing.

...but holy hell am I glad that not every Job is anything like that. XD If you'll excuse me, I need to go re-iron my smooth monkey brain after reading that...

[Shurrikhan]

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You know, as per my norms, I am 100% glad a Job like that is in this game for people that just that sort of thing.

...but holy hell am I glad that not every Job is anything like that. XD If you'll excuse me, I need to go re-iron my smooth monkey brain after reading that...

It's seriously not hard. It largely boils down to "use Lunar (first) when able; else Solar", and just doing whatever makes sense during Solar GCDs.

Which becomes clear after just trying out Monk on a testing dummy a few times.

The same things that let/make it "drift" (at BiS GCD speeds) are also what leave it intuitive: you can swap out what you will, so long as your PBs have AllSamex3 (ideally, AllOpo, as anything else is a huge waste) or AllDifferentx3.

The moves I pointed out before aren't something that needs to be memorized; they're just what happens to occur at high GCD speeds, again allowing for a consistent per 2min loop.

[Renathras]

Which becomes clear after just trying out Monk on a testing dummy a few times.

Not an insult, just a question:

Are you one of those people who can sit down with a musical instrument, play a song once, then never have to reference sheet music again? Or even not have to in the first place?

Because there are some Human beings with incredible minds that can do insane things...and then there's everyone else. I'm wondering if perhaps you're more on the savant side of things.

Because I've played around with MNK on target dummies. The 21 step basic rotation I get just fine. Soon as the Nadis were added, "I need an adult" started playing in my head. Then I started reading about stuff like the double solar opener and your "It's easy" optimal drift and...

...yeah, no it didn't become clear.
At all.

Still isn't.

But I'm fine not touching MNK, so I accept that. There are other Jobs in the game I can enjoy playing instead.

[Shurrikhan]

Not an insult, just a question:

Are you one of those people who can sit down with a musical instrument, play a song once, then never have to reference sheet music again? Or even not have to in the first place?

The heck are you on about?

Again, it has nothing to do with intuition. Get on the striking dummy. Hit your GCDs each time they refresh. See where RoF lands at GCD speed A. See where it lands at GCD speed B. That's it. That's all I pointed out.

Solar being 1 of each form is literally written on the damned tooltip.
Lunar being 3 of the same form is literally written on the damned tooltip.
The potencies of each skill are written on their tooltips, and multiplying by 1.5 for the rough value of a guaranteed crit is not hard.

Because there are some Human beings with incredible minds that can do insane things...and then there's everyone else.

Soon as the Nadis were added, "I need an adult" started playing in my head.

Stressing out over "use same form 3 times" isn't a thing of "incredible minds", but neither is it "everyone else". These are already simple mechanics.