PL Woes

[Wincy]

I keep seeing people complain about rampant PL and I wonder if you guys are all full 50s, or have actually leveled a class/job lately...Actually it also goes into the argument about lacking content for lvls 1~40.

I am newly returned to the game (after 1.21). I'm up to 41 PLD now and having a freaking blast. I have not once PL'd, and why would I? I can level pretty insanely quickly through normal play (whether that be group grind, solo leves, or whatever). Furthermore, my leveling experience has been constantly supplemented by Main Scenario, Grand Company, Class and Job quests. I spent a little time early on in Shposhae, and did a few good runs through Toto Rak.

I do agree that there could be a little more dungeon content in the lower ranges, but there's no reason to even bother unless they SLOW DOWN leveling, cause otherwise you will just burn right past it all. Personally I hope they will separate jobs from classes, so like you unlock BRD and then level it up from 1. Hopefully AF weapons will show that they can make weapons unlinked from the base class, which will open up lots of cool possibilities for making that whole system work more smoothly!

/ramble off, back to topic...Do you seriously see so many people powerleveling? I've never done it, nobody in my LS does it (I've never heard them mention it), and in fact I don't think I've ever even SEEN somebody doing it. Sometimes it's crazy how different perceptions appear in-game as compared to the talk on the official forums.

[darkstarpoet1]

i think the problem is yoshis idea of casual. I think his idea of casual may be 3-5 hours a week when the rest of us prob think anything under 15 hours a week.

not according to yoshi. he gave a description of what he considers a casual and it was not 3-5 hours a week.

[syntaxlies]

Maybe you should stop soloing until 30?

It is the mindset like this that frightens me. When I had to take my PUG to 15 for my WHM know what I did? I grab some leves, went out to the camp and started inviting every single person I saw. /tell'd them if they wanted a PT and grew up my group to 8/8 inside of 20 minutes. Continued with those same people all the way to 15 nearly 2 hours later.

There are people in down who /shout their jobs and ask for PL's. I tell them why not looking for a Party instead of sitting around wasting time spamming the chat? They had no idea they could use the search function. Flag people who are already in PT around their range and ask if they needed reps soon. It is this fast easy effortless PLing that has gone rampant that has denied new players motivation to LEARN how to get better. I never wait around for stuff to just fall in my lap. I get the ball rolling, explore all my options, and make it happen. I do this because in FFXI if you did nothing but wait for experience you sat in Jueno for 3 hours.

Personal assertiveness is lacking in this game and you are presenting it in true form. I don't even hate you now. It is clear that you are actually just lacking experience and the knowledge you would have gained if you were forced to level the "hard" way. Tools and mindsets that help you through the entire career of the game.

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i used the search feature to find a party all the time, asking if people had room soon. The last time i did it i wound up in a PL that PL me to 45, go figure.

[Arcell]

Wise words Vaer but this is what I cannot work out.

They know they had a faithful client base in FFXI. Proven numbers and accounts which remained active for YEARS on end without breaks. Why not create a similar atmosphere for the new game? All but ensure they retain the previous player base from FFXI while still netting those willing to shoulder the difficulty in this new generation? Surely everyone born after 1990 can't ALL be uninterested in an MMO which pushes back.

Instead of trying to compete with every other MMO which hand holds their customers to the end of the game and gives them a yellow sticker of mediocrity develop a harsh unforgiving world which only the crazy and stubborn survive? Sure you'll never reach the numbers that WoW has but then again, no one ever will. Surely they realized once Abbesea hit players started dropping like flies. All their loyal previous subscribers just up and quit once content that had taken them years to finish were being blasted away by Month old's.

FFXI is beating the ever living PANTS out of FFXIV numbers wise as it is. Risking the gambit again in 2.0 to 'appeal to a wider audience' seems like putting a smoking revolver back in your mouth because there is no WAY you could get two bullets back to back when playing Russian Roulette.

FFXI is beating the pants off of FFXIV in numbers because FFXIV's launch was one of the worst in MMO history I'd say. The game was god-awful and most people quit. A lot of those people have not come back yet because they are waiting for 2.0 or have no interest in FFXIV.

The reason they didn't create a game with a similar atmosphere is because that wasn't the intent from the start. They have always advertised this game as being for a more casual audience than FFXI. You can still see this even today reflected in most of the decisions that are made. The game is not meant to be the same way FFXI used to be, never has and likely never will be.

And to be completely honest, if this game was more like FFXI I'd quit right now. I wouldn't have ever checked it out if I wasn't told that it would be different.

[Zaaku]

I keep seeing people complain about rampant PL and I wonder if you guys are all full 50s, or have actually leveled a class/job lately...Actually it also goes into the argument about lacking content for lvls 1~40.

I am newly returned to the game (after 1.21). I'm up to 41 PLD now and having a freaking blast. I have not once PL'd, and why would I? I can level pretty insanely quickly through normal play (whether that be group grind, solo leves, or whatever). Furthermore, my leveling experience has been constantly supplemented by Main Scenario, Grand Company, Class and Job quests. I spent a little time early on in Shposhae, and did a few good runs through Toto Rak.

I do agree that there could be a little more dungeon content in the lower ranges, but there's no reason to even bother unless they SLOW DOWN leveling, cause otherwise you will just burn right past it all. Personally I hope they will separate jobs from classes, so like you unlock BRD and then level it up from 1. Hopefully AF weapons will show that they can make weapons unlinked from the base class, which will open up lots of cool possibilities for making that whole system work more smoothly!

I like the cut of your jib. We should party sometime.

[Wolfie]

You know, I somehow doubt that you tell them "why not looking for a Party instead", and it's more like "U LAZY NOOB GO GET A PARTY NOOB." You know, since you've already proven to us that you're not above calling someone a drunk when they make a mistake, thinking that you have a right to be pissed at people, or thinking that you deserve to not have any inexperienced players in your groups.

[NoctisUmbra]

Guys.. guys... guys...

This thread was answered and finished the moment it was established that removing PL wouldn't remove bad Lv 50 players.

[Krausus]

ok without power leveling how long would you think that would take to level up? i'm asking an honest question here. how many hours?

the reason i am asking is not because i want it to be like xi where it took months and months to level a class. i agree with yoshi's vision that a casual player should take right around a month to cap a class. of course a hardcore player would cap in way less time than that, but that is not my point. yoshi stated his idea of a casual player as someone that plays 1-2 hours during the day and then plays a few hours on the weekend. that's 7-14 hours on weekdays and i'll even say 4 hours on weekends. going by those low numbers that's 11 hours a week and 4 weeks in a month that's 44 hours to reach cap.

it can be done nowhere near that length of time. it would probably take someone a total of 6-10 hours to reach cap using a power leveling party. that's just too fast in my opinion.

i'm not saying someone should have to play 10 hours a day each day grinding to get a capped class in 6 months. i'm not of the xi mentality either, but i think xiv went from one extreme to another.

I agree with 3-4 weeks but why do you care so much if someone takes 6-10 hours in a PL party? No one really really learns their class until they start doing end game content anyways and chances are PL or not your gonna run into baddies in PUG groups anyways. I think people put way to much emphasis on how someone levels and not enough on the fact that some people are just bad.

To be honest the only Issue I think you have with it is you leveled to 50 before PLing was available and are pissed because people have an easier time at it then you.

[Nuinn]

I have a hard time understanding what some of you are reaaally asking here. . . . As I see it, you want people to feel as committed to their class as you are, and as a product of that be good on their classes/jobs, which eventually leads to avoiding frustration in end-game pick up groups. If that really is the case, it's completely unrealistic expectations. Might be -right- of you to expect that, but unrealistic none the less. The first reason being, some people just don't care.

And in random groups. . . . More often than not, even skilled players might end up making mistakes cause not everyone's accustomed to each others' play style.

If it were by your standards I would have never helped or partied with some of my friends who aren't as skilled. And guess what, I didn't blow a fuse and actually didn't mind dying and wiping numerous times till the group made it. Eventually they learned and I had fun hanging out with them. I also made good friends in some of the catastrophic pick up groups that I've been in.

What if THIS is how Yoshida wants it and it won't change? Does that mean some of you will take your own advice and leave? I distinctly remember him saying he's not bothered by the PL as long as it's not abused. I'm inclined to believe that them not doing anything about it means they're still ok with it, else it would be gone with a hotfix, just like the early PL was (while lv1 could party with lv50 and still get exp).

Live and let live. Party up with players you know that are good on their jobs or be prepared to take the blame whenever you make a random group with the 'bestest' players out there. What it's starting to look like is that you're trying to tell people how they should enjoy a game - so that you will have an easier time. Or did some bad player get a good drop on their 1st run while a skilled one hasn't on their 50th?

[Wincy]

I like the cut of your jib. We should party sometime.

My playtime is pretty limited. Usually EST early evening/late night on Mondays, Tuesdays, Fridays, and late morning/midday Saturdays (yea it's a schedule, talk to my wife haha). Look me up if you're around those times.